Tue, Apr 25, 2023 4:52PM • 2:05:24
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SPEAKERS
Bill Clearfield
01:02
Hello, Doc, can you hear me?
Bill Clearfield 01:04
I hear you fine. I made you the co host. Okay,
01:07
excellent sounds good. So, what’s doing at your place? I was listening to Austin VEDA. She’s She’s like the water whisperer. For Stage of water. She started she’s got 16,000 pictures of four phase water. in petri dishes. And she copies images and thoughts. And she started studying pole lock and he moto. And Victor shollenberger I think is his name and another gentleman out of Germany. absolutely mind blowing. Okay cool.
Bill Clearfield 01:51
So you want to allow us this thing last night?
01:54
Yeah, that was a really intense
Bill Clearfield 01:58
because I wasn’t I got a message sorry if I was too harsh on the on the speaker so I probably missed a good one.
02:08
You did. Shell Stein set it up. It was about a bio electrical medicine and some machines P EMF type stuff. And Kalasa doesn’t like the woowoo you know that. And when you start to
Bill Clearfield 02:25
doesn’t like the woowoo but he latches on to one thing and says that’s the cure all for everything. You know, first it was methylene blue, then it was oxytocin and you know, and then he makes these he makes these things crazy things up.
02:40
So he apologized. He went pretty deep into it. Bob Connelly’s really huge in this industry. He created a movie. He knows about the corruption in Big Pharma. And I know where his losses coming from. You guys got to it’s a fine balance because Kalasa believes that he can link you guys up with ama I think we better
Bill Clearfield 03:05
but yeah, well we tried that. That didn’t work.
03:09
It didn’t work with the AOA. AMA.
Bill Clearfield 03:14
What do you think the AMA is any better? They’re worse.
03:17
I know. What he’s trying. He’s trying. He’s trying. You see his latest is latest pitch. He’s doing a shark tank event for his CDP as chronic pain management program.
Bill Clearfield 03:35
No, what’s that?
03:36
Yeah, he’s charging. I believe it’s $1,000. You can bring your pitch. He didn’t say what the win is. But he’s going to have a bunch of judges. I wouldn’t doubt if he asked you to be one of the judges to do a shark tank event to figure out how to fix chronic pain.
Bill Clearfield 03:56
You fix it they know you’re out of a job. We don’t want to fix anything.
04:03
Oh, you fix it and then they get they tell the next person who needs to be fixed. Right? Right.
Bill Clearfield 04:10
I guess. I guess I don’t know. That too cynical?
04:17
No, you’re just a reflection of 40 plus years,
Bill Clearfield 04:20
right? Yeah, I guess. I guess so. I hope we have more than just the three of us and including the speakers not here. So
04:32
did you last patients show up today?
Bill Clearfield 04:34
They did. They both came at the same time. So I had to add the drug on both. So that’s eight years. Yeah,
04:44
so Now Christy knows where I live that was kind of nice. She drove me home.
Bill Clearfield 04:49
You’re probably better off not having people not know where you live. And we might be cutting out the catalytic converters out of your car.
05:00
I know. I know. It’s funny. I got the brewery district and the homeless district on one side and the University of Nevada Reno on the other side. Isn’t that ironic?
Bill Clearfield 05:11
Yeah. Sort of, sort of, they sort of go hand in hand. Yeah, they
05:15
- They do. It’s kind of sad to say too bad. They didn’t work together. Well,
Bill Clearfield 05:26
if they were working, they wouldn’t be homeless in the first place, right? Yeah, no, no. It’s a bad situation. So we’re losing. We’re losing our audience here. Where’s everybody?
05:41
Just be you know, he just might be one of
Bill Clearfield 05:44
those days. Yeah. First.
05:48
Spring. Yeah, I, I’d say this first day of spring. I think it was 70 to 73. degrees here in Reno. Including our
06:01
mason, it 42 Or
Bill Clearfield 06:05
were in Michigan.
06:08
What part
06:10
Hastings I’m in a little dinky town in Hastings that it’s about two thirds. Down and one half over. So it’s in the not lower part of the state but one, two thirds of the way down the state. And west of Grand Rapids have that end east of the East. I mean, east of Grand Rapids in west of Detroit. Billy West Lansing, Mark. Yeah.
06:41
I lived in Upper Peninsula, Lawrence, Michigan and 1985.
06:47
Yeah, yeah. You get some snow there.
06:52
52 feet out winner.
06:55
Yeah, I couldn’t believe it. I couldn’t believe it. When I saw that video, I used to go up and hike up there a lot and have but boy not in the middle of the winter. You did see those mailboxes just jump up.
07:09
Right right. It was absolutely insane. I’ll be honest. It was we had a sound. It was nice. It was nice. I went to high school in Lawrence, Michigan. We played I was on the football team and I was I think I was 220 pounds and I was one of the smallest guys there and we shut out six of the teams. And the only time that they scored on us was when second and third string like me was playing. I kid you not?
07:40
Yeah, yeah. You get pretty tough with slogging through that snow jumping out here. Second store window does go to school.
07:50
Man you use zip locks or plastic bags with your feet inside your shoes. So when you get frostbite, it was horrible. I hated it. I was like, Man, I’m from California. This is crazy.
08:07
Place this end up then. Yeah. The only thing worse is the black flies in the summer.
08:16
I agree. Agree. You know? What was sad though was this was when you probably was was pretty much 8586 That’s when the steel mills were going down. Yeah, yeah. So my dad, my stepdad worked all his life. He drove 45 minutes into lawns, and he tried to get a job and McDonald’s. They told him You better go back to California because you think we’re gonna give this job to you and not my own dad or my old family member.
08:46
Oh, for heaven’s sakes,
08:48
they lost 500 steel mill workers
08:52
while we were Yeah. Oh my god. Yeah. Yeah.
08:59
Needless to say, we drove back to California. We had no choice.
09:05
I know you’re really depressed about that.
09:12
We had three channels out there. We had the Love Boat. We had a religious channel. And I think I swear the other channel was like an infomercial channel. That’s all we had. It was absolutely it was so redneck. I was like amazed.
09:29
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you know, as a as a summer visitor, I just I kind of liked it there. But I went up there snowshoeing a couple of years and went to some of the old logging camps and you know, that to visit it’s a wonderful place. I’m not sure I would be able to you know, I saw how high they kept their mailboxes and I thought, No, I don’t think I can live with that.
09:59
It was we would stay I would stand at the kitchen table. And I remember we had a forage strip of snow looking out over the trees and stuff all you saw was a tree tops. It was crazy. I was like, No way. How do these people do this? Yeah. To go back to California and forgiveness.
Bill Clearfield 10:26
Yeah, all right. Well, it’s a couple of minutes after five and we have Dr. Stones. Our speakers here. Are you on there Dr. Stone am Hello. Hi there and let you introduce yourself and take it away. Okay, we’ll let folks in as they show up. Sure. So Dr. Blanchard Stone. Thank you.
10:57
Thank you. I’m Jenny stone. Just a little background. I went to West Virginia. School of Osteopathic Medicine, did my my general medicine, you know, the rotating internship in West Virginia. Went out to Iowa to do my child, my adult psychiatry training. Then I went to Detroit, Michigan and did a child fellowship. I got recruited to Alabama. I was one of five psychiatrists in the entire state. People traveled three hours like from Georgia to get to me, I was their only child so child psychiatrist, and basically everybody in the state that failed, you know, treatment in the other four psychiatrists I got so I had really a lot of good experience with the worst of the worst patients. And then 911 happened so I came home to us to New Jersey. I’m actually originally from New Jersey. My family’s up here. So I’ve been here ever since. Autism is a close to home for me. And I before I even had a son who was on the spectrum I just picked up on it very, very easily always was the first one to you know, pick it, pick it up when we had a you know, one of our mock boards and it was an autistic child. I just seem to have that affinity. So I did a lot of research and that was in let’s see 19 In the late 1990s. So since then I have treated hundreds, probably, I don’t know how many hundreds but over 25 years of treating autistic children and because I was the only specialty you know on a 50 mile radius or specialist to even knew anything about psychiatry. I’m sorry, autism. I I got pretty much all of them. So I’ve been working working with from very mild, mostly more mild because I’m outpatient. So I usually see the more mild than the severe. So I have a lot of I have a lot of insight into working with them. And the more I worked with them, the more they taught me how they work, how the brain works. So um, you know, some of this is my own understanding of autism not I don’t have you know, I don’t have any studies to prove a lot of what I say but my son is 17 He’s on the spectrum. My I was married for 20 years to Asperger’s. And I myself was severely autistic as a child. My my mom I was born in New Jersey, and there’s a high huge rate of autism in New Jersey, New Jersey and Alabama happened to be the two highest states with autism. My mom took me to West Virginia and I lived basically off the land. No toxins, no preservatives, no, you know what you call it processed food, basically just natural, you know, veggies and by the time I was 12 my language was pretty much almost normal. Most people can’t tell I have autism. Certainly doesn’t. I certainly don’t look it I still have some weird things. So I’m not, you know, but I also because of the way I am. I have a lot of insight and understanding to how the brain works and this, you know, autism is is a neurologic disorder. This is not psychiatry, psychiatry is based on symptoms and is more you know, brain chemicals is like the theory and but it’s not autism is a neurologic disorder. It is basically, you know, similar to any other neurologic disorder and it’s genetic very genetic. Is it simple genes? No, it’s multiple teams. And they also have to have stressors involved they still don’t know exactly, I think for you know, for each person, different stressor, whether that’s, you know, a stressor, you know, the parents divorce a stressor from immunization. So yes, you know, do the immunizations cause it not necessarily cause it but there can be the stressor that triggers you know, the genes to come on. So it’s very similar to like, you know, if you see down syndrome, if you see a person with Down syndrome, you know, they have Down syndrome because of how they look. They have certain illnesses, certain problems. Well, autism is these kids. are the same. They are more like each other than they are their parents, unless their parent of course is on the spectrum. But um, you know, do they look different? They you know, you can’t really look at them and know, so it’s not a physical. Well, there are definitely are a lot of FLPs we used to call them funny looking kids. There are quite a few of those that are on the spectrum, but for the most part, they look normal, but they all have very similar areas of problems and the DSM you’ve probably all heard of the Diagnostic Statistical Manual that is the you know, basically this like Bible. And that’s what they you know, have done us studies. You know, the beginning it wasn’t too good, but DSM four was when they finally really started using a large amount of studies to come up with, you know, their symptom list, but it’s based on symptoms and the symptoms it doesn’t matter where the symptoms come from. So number one, we have autism, which is the worst of the worst, like say the lock the top 10% the worst 10% is studied. And that’s where they started to get, you know, they all have certain problems, social problems, repetitive or you know, repetitive motor behavior, motor movements, still have certain symptoms. And then eventually they realize, gee, there’s a mild diversion. So they started studying those. And so then we became you know, then we had we went from having like, severe autism to then having PDD, pervasive developmental disorder, the Asperger’s and then autism. There actually never ot Asperger’s actually never. I’d never saw one, one Asperger’s and the hundreds have asked hundreds of kids on the spectrum. Asperger’s was they had perfectly normal speech. And they had the other problems, the social, you know, all these other issues like autism, but the speech was supposed to be normal. No problems. I didn’t find one that met that met that criteria. They all had something whether it was a delay, whether it was they couldn’t do the back and forth social communication. They all had something but anyway, what I found was, there was, you know, you they studied that top, let’s say 20% of kids who have this, but what about the other 80%? So, the zero to 80? Let’s think of it like you know, when you think about social, social communication, being social, you know, there’s an area where it’s what we would consider normal or you know, typical, and then you have, think of it like, you have the normal or what we call typicals. And then as you move away from that towards non social, completely non social, you know, you start here you go to the end so, that’s what they study that little tiny 10% of the severe, you know, behavior problems, and then they have that, you know, like I said that next step, but what about from there to normal? What about those people, those kids and what about the opposite? For every Yang there’s a Yang. So what about the social butterflies? So here we have normal or typical socialization, and then you move away this way, going towards social butterflies. So now, a child with no no stranger anxiety, talks to everybody. Is that normal? You know, typical, that is just as bad as being not social only in a different direction. You know, we don’t we need so stranger anxiety so we don’t get stolen. So again, so we have this little part in the middle, but we have from that edge to basically, you know, I call it the two extremes. So if you think about the similarities of the severe of the severe, they’re all in these little sections. So like change transition, that’s a problem. Very common problem.
21:01
That they don’t you know, they have trouble with that. Well, so do the ones on the other side. What happens is the milder ones are what’s missed. They are, their symptoms are mild, and they’re, they’re also unique. I’ll have brothers, that one split sibling, his mother cuts her hair, and the child totally freaks out, because that’s a change but the other brother is fine with that and doesn’t care. But mom washed the blinds. She washed the blinds, took down the drapes. So mom put up only one of them. The other brother is just hysterical behaviors, you know, very bad. They couldn’t figure out what it was until a couple of weeks later when she put the other backup and then we’re calm. So again, the change the problems would change transition, you know, and if it’s more appropriate, then it’s not a problem or not considered a problem. So if a child has an obsessive, obsessive interest about, you know, something that’s more acceptable then you know, let’s say they’re obsessed with, you know, oh, gosh, I’ve had so many kids with so many different types of obsessions. But if it’s, you know, let’s say, you know, history, and they’re very obsessed with something about history, then that obsession, you know, really is not considered necessarily, it’s just, oh, they’re really, really interested in this. But you have a child who is obsessed with Pokeyman and it’s now he’s 12. And he’s still obsessed with Pokeyman now, it’s obviously not normal, or not typical. So, I think a lot of times the milder ones are, are overlooked and, and people don’t see that. They’re the same. They have the same problems. It causes problems in school. The socialization you know, these kids, they make make friends very easily, but they don’t recognize you know, the nonverbal social cues, social, you know, having being able to have a conversation they be may be so anxious and overthink every little bit every little thing that they do that they can’t socialize normally. So it’s not that they don’t want to socialize, that’s an assumption that they don’t want to because they don’t have friends and some don’t, you know, they’re all so unique are so unique. But the milder ones are the ones that you know, are, are really missed and because of the new DSM five is a nightmare. People who didn’t belong in medicine, making decisions in psychiatry started putting their nose in there, and they wanted less people, less children to fall into the autism category. And really, autism should be called Pervasive Developmental Disorder, or ASD is fine Autism Spectrum Disorder, because then it helps people understand because a lot of people don’t know what pervasive developmental disorders but pervasive, pervasive means, you know, ongoing development as the brain develops and disorders not normal. So I really think that should have been the name so that people understood that you know, when you think autism, we just think of that serious, merely non social, you know, unable to function in their own world, kind of kid. So, um, but the milder ones, you know, like I said about the DSM five, they made it so that not as many children fall into the Autism Autism category, so that, you know, because it’s an epidemic now, and they don’t like that the government especially doesn’t like that. So we needed less people to fall into the category. So the children that are the mild ones have the same brain, but they’re not going to get the same treatment or the same services. And I just had, I just just testified in a trial in Colorado, actually, a child who was mild, never got treatment. Now his parents were very, they separated when he was little. Mom was very into nature and natural and no, you know, no immunizations and I’m all for natural and nature and I like to do the holistic thing. But you have to do something. Being holistic, being natural doesn’t mean doing nothing, which this family basically never helped this his him his behavior problems started when he was very young. In school, they recommended like an IEP, like at the age of four when I saw him when he was 13, and he still didn’t have one because parents, you know, didn’t want that kind of help for him. So they let him suffer, you know, so he needed help. They wanted him they recommended therapy when he was like four or five. They didn’t parents didn’t get therapy until he was suicidal. So, um, you know, so that boy, there when he was 13 I saw him diagnosed on the spectrum, basically PDD back then, because he was so mild. He was very, very bright. He would not put he, his symptoms were you know, in the such mild symptoms that everyone just totally missed it he had what he called just some things at the top of my my head that most people don’t even know is something that they all seem to have and not all of them but a lot of them have this this thing about being fair and right. They follow rules to the they’re very concrete. So anything that’s like a rule, it’s a rule. And they have it’s like they’ll even get in trouble for sticking up for like another child. Because the teacher he’s the he or she feels the teacher is not being fair to that child. So he’ll actually interfere and get in trouble because, you know, he doesn’t feel that that I mean, that’s how strongly they feel and the behavior problems. That’s another thing that behavior problems all these kids have sensory integration dysfunction, all of them do. And that’s not even in the DSM that’s not acknowledged most of most of you won’t even know what it is let alone that you know exists and all the kids on the spectrum habit. You know, how I explain what sensory integration is, for those who who don’t know it is basically the brain as it basically when we’re little when we’re the first two years of life all we do is absorbed stimulation, we’re exposed to everything it’s in our body. Our brain is just absorbing and seeking everything. And we go through all these different phases like we’ll go through a biting phase, we put everything in our mouth phase. So we have to go through these phases like developmental phases, and because their brain, it’s Think of it like it’s literally growing, and I’m sorry if I’m jumping around, but it’s, it’s growing from birth into adulthood, still even parts of it. And that’s actually the bottom line. For autism if you want to get really nice and technical. It is all it is is a brain that grows uniquely. It is growing, growing, uniquely thinking, working, interpreting everything in the brain. Basically there’s all these different pieces and some pieces, like verbal, some kids are very verbal, but then they’re, you know, their socials behind and they might have, you know, motor issues. Oftentimes, it’s like a fine motor we expect for a lot of boys but when its gross motor and fine motor, then it’s confusing. So we’ll see you know, different areas of the brain whether it be like with reading maybe very advanced. But if you have a brain that’s continually growing, it’s continually needing a huge amount of stimulation. So it’s kind of like the, the bottom part of the brain, the cerebellum and everything. The brainstem that runs the show, makes our heart you know, heartbeat or lungs work. That part is like stealing control and seeking stimulation because that’s how the, that’s how the brain grows.
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Excuse me, in order to grow it needs stimulation. So, you know, after that first couple of years, the brain is you know, is like moves on to the next milestone of okay. I don’t need as much stimulation, I can start the basically the you know, cognitive area can start to take off and the need for stimulation comes down but in these children, that doesn’t happen because they still have areas that are like social the social areas still, it’s almost like the brain knows it’s not full grown. So it has to it needs stimulation. In contrast to ADHD. Excuse me. ADHD. A lot of people don’t know this either. ADHD is a very genetic thing. And it’s not actually diagnosed until autopsy because they have found that it is their Schwann cells. They do not have enough Schwann cells. So you can’t it’s basically like kind of like a mess. You have to rule out everything else to know if it’s truly ADHD. Because you can’t tell how many Schwann cells there are till autopsy. So those children’s brain is also not full grown, as far as you know, it knows it needs more cells. So it’s constantly seeking stimulation to try to grow that to grow that area and because the symptoms of that seeking stimulation, those are the ADHD symptoms being hyperactive is because they are their body literally is looking for stimulation and if we aren’t getting the stimulation, then it will seek it. So in the the the ADHD child, just need stimulation, it’s not picky doesn’t care what kind where it is. If you and I are speaking, and that’s enough stimulation to make our brain happy, we block out everything else. But if it’s not enough, our brain needs more stimulation than that. Then it’s almost like our brain is opening up to the stimulation around us. So it’ll initially just you know other things in the room like maybe, you know, an air conditioner, you’ll become aware of that. And, you know, fan. If that’s not enough to make the brain happy, then you’ll start to be aware of what’s outside the building what’s you know, the road, the cars, things like that. So it’s almost like the more stimulation the brain needs, the farther and the the more it looks farther outside us. And if that’s not enough, then we start to wiggle a leg or tap or you know, we we can do you know, we basically, eventually we will get up and move because our brain says I’m not happy I need stimulation. So the two have the symptoms exactly the same but the autistic brain is picky about what types of stimulation and it’s it may take longer to get like satisfied. I don’t know if that’s the right word. But, you know, the biting phase first of all may happen when they’re six. You know, that’s not what we consider typical. I’ll have a kid who’s eight who starts putting everything in his mouth. And so it’s like they never went through that milestone and now that part of the brain that needs that is is doing that and they may take six months to get through like the biting phase. So you’ll see areas that are very specific that are growing at a different rate. And because of that, that’s what basically is like responsible for the sensory integration because it is you know, very picky. It’s wanting specific stimulation and for for all the brains it doesn’t matter what kind typical neurotypical or not the way it gets information is it’s you know, cells have to send a signal to the brain, you know, even pain is not is not actually felt, you know, in your hand. It’s your brain, right? So, everything is related to the brain. And the problem with autism is I tell parents is kind of like there’s a little interpreter up there and everything that’s related to the brain has to be interpreted. So they’re their brain. Their interpreter is French, it’s just learning English. So they start interpreting things incorrectly. So so what happens is you’ll have children with the like, the high tolerance for pain, right? Lots of people have heard of that one. And it’ll, it’ll not necessarily make sense because a child will, you know, be standing on a broken leg. And you’re like, why, how, you know, how can they do that? And that’s because their brain is interpreting it differently. And then you’ll have them you know, get a little tiny, you know, bump and they’re trying screaming bloody murder. But think about it makes sense when you think about every single type of pain is different cells. If it’s a stabbing pain, or if it’s a throbbing pain, there are different cells, so it makes sense that each one can be interpreted very differently. I’ve had a child who told me, pulling up his socks was physically painful. And so if you have a child who needs certain stimulation, their brain needs it. If they’re in an environment where they can’t get it, then they have to look for it. If their brain their brain, basically is also is unhappy. It basically, not only does it seek certain stimulation, if it’s already, you know, figured out a particular stimulation, it will not want that stimulation. So, then you will have a child who is in an environment that’s very stimulating, let’s say a lot of noise, a lot of lights. And then the child has a behavior problem because the stimulation, the brain is getting something it does not want and it’s very picky wants what it wants and does not want what it what it doesn’t want. So I’m sorry if I’m going around in circles, the the interpreting stimulation and the need for the stimulation is so high and a lot of a lot of people interpret behavior as as behavior that you know, because it’s different in different environments as it’s controlled, but they don’t realize the stimulation in different environments is different. And so their body and also their body, their brain changes their their brain changes as it grows. So it’s very inconsistent or what it looks very inconsistent because of the type of stimulation the brain is wanting or not wanting at that time. So that’s very confusing for people because they think, Oh, well, if you can control it looks like they control it here. They can’t control it there. So then they get in their mind that it’s something they can control but it’s really about the stimulation their brain wants or doesn’t want at that time. And if you keep giving the brain stimulation that it does not want eventually it’s it’s you know, like, like your last nerve. It’s your nervous their nervous system is getting more and more tight, so to speak. And eventually you have the last straw with the sensory integration. Once you have, you know, they can’t modulate their nervous system like we can. So what happens is, you know, when you are I get a stimulation that is a brain doesn’t want or doesn’t need, we just block it out but they can’t do that they physically cannot do that. We have to help them do that. And because nobody knows what these the sensory integration, they don’t even know it exists. They don’t help them do that. So basically, you hit eventually hit your their last nerve and they blow up they have an explosion. And basically it’s like a nerve that you hit with you know you when you hit the knee with a hammer and you have a reaction that nerve, that nerve. It’s a neurologic nerve, you know, reaction is no different with this and they have two choices. They have fight or flight period. Those are your choices. So you have to prevent this. You can’t once it’s happened when they once they explode, you have to run it run it has to run its course so and so people you know they have a fight or flight.
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And some children always have fights and children always have flight teachers teachers are nightmare. They they always interpret the behavior. They always have to confront the child now. The worst thing ever for a kid on the spectrum because, you know first of all eye contact is very anxious and anxiety producing in children. So much better to sit next to them than this sit across from them. Even just looking at our face is very anxiety producing. So the teacher gets in their face and says, you know, let’s discuss this now. And the child you know that the teachers going to either get it in the face or the kid will run away and run out of the building or whatnot. So that’s one of the the biggest problems with the kids that they have not been recognized as on the spectrum. And because of that inconsistency, you know, again, it’s depending on it’s all about stimulation and what the brain needs. Sorry, I’ve gone let’s see. Oh, that case I was talking about the one in Colorado who the parents never got help. Probably I don’t know that they believed me. I think they did to some extent because the I ended up seeing them because the other doctor who was an adult psychiatrist interpreted his behavior as bipolar, which is often they’re often misdiagnosed as bipolar because of those explosions that they can have. You know, but it’s not it’s like I said, it’s coming from a totally different, a different area. And just like the ADHD symptoms, the bipolar symptoms, they can have Bipolar symptoms, or at least what’s interpreted as bipolar symptoms. So they’re often misdiagnosed as that the control control issue is a big thing. Teachers get into power struggles. A lot of parents get into power struggles with their kids, because these children argue with them. They will it doesn’t matter if you’re an adult. If they if their brain tells them that that’s not right. And it’s not right. And they don’t care who told them it’s, you know, it’s not right. And what happens is, you know, first of all, the parents think it’s about power. But it’s not about power the kids don’t care about power their brain just tells them it’s this way and it can be something so minor like you you’re eating the chicken the wrong way. It can be something you know, it’s it’s can be so minuscule and the kid will will you know argue till the sun goes down, and the parents think that the child wants, like I said, it’s a control thing. But literally, the child may actually feel so uncomfortable. You know, at the thought of that this isn’t this isn’t right, the way my brain is. It says it’s this way and if you say it’s a different way, it literally is so uncomfortable for the child and might even be painful, and they will freak out because they are having a physical reaction. It’s not about being in charge or being you know, the power. It’s about, I feel horrible. And I need to change that I need to I need you to say it’s this way in order for me to feel better. So I see lots of people getting into power struggles with these kids, just because the children can’t verbalize what’s going on. We we relay we you know, we teach our children what’s hot, what’s cold, we label everything for them. And what if a child their brain is interpreting cold is hot, and vice versa? What happens is, you know, how confusing is it to a child if you know you get they get close to something that’s hot, you smack their hand and say, you know, stay away from that. That’s hot. But that felt nice to them. Hang on one second. Yes, Gavin. Okay, I’ll be there shortly. Okay, honey. All right. I have to cover my son. I have to tuck him in. Give me five minutes. I’ll be right back.
Bill Clearfield 45:06
Anybody have any comments or questions while we wait? We had a I did a two part lecture on what’s ism and hormones and a lot about what she’s talking about was actually sort of shared in that. What one of the highlights that we found was that early on in utero, a lot of these kids as it’s found retrospectively have both high testosterone levels higher than they should and also high growth hormone levels. And it affects something what we call executive function. executive function deals with memory concentration, being able to start projects being able to finish projects, multitask multitasking easily or not. And we found that these kids are early on their heads grow at an at a accelerated rate versus their brains and they so they sort of have almost like empty headed as their their bodies. And usually by the time that they’re five years old, that they’re hits or conferences that have a teenager which is about the maximum so that’s that that was one one area and but there’s a disconnect those of you know who about the growth hormone has to be conjugated in the liver to IGF one for it to do its thing to do useful part of growth hormone. And there’s a disconnect because they’re reading about the hospital. In New York, giving kids IGF one that are autistic and seemingly getting much better behavioral responses. I’m just throwing my two cents in here. Dr. Stone we did a we did a study a couple of years ago on what’s ism and hormone abnormalities, and I was just kind of, sort of relating to what you were talking about, as far as behaviors and whatnot with with hormones and so the the short version is, is that there’s a disconnect between IGF one that usually seems to be or rather growth hormone and these autistic kids, an IGF one, which is the usable portion of yours, it doesn’t convert, and it needs to for growth hormone to be effective. And there’s also seems to be a high incidence of elevated testosterone and when you trace it back, you can find it in utero, that the testosterone levels in these kids who become autistic are higher than they should be by a not a fairly measurable amount. And I don’t know if you have any experience with that. It’s fairly consistent. Now let you continue to go ahead. Those are my two cents.
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All right. Just a little aside, as you saw, or heard my son needed to be tucked in. We have a routine and it has to be that way. So I knew better than to argue or say, you know, wait, because he’s not going to let up because he has to have that routine and if I don’t do that it’s very anxiety producing for him and it gets worse and worse. So that’s why the children will, you know, come to the parent, like when they want something I drive the parent insane, asking for it, because they’re obsessing once it’s on their mind, it just keeps going and going. It’ll literally is it’s like almost like a an OCD thing where they have it’s, it’s uncomfortable. So um, so it’s very similar to that. So that was something I Yeah, that’s a different kind. Of, like almost everything has to be the routines is very important. And again, it’s it’s based on on anxiety and the feeling and how they feel. Definitely, they are other, you know, illnesses or issues with the autistic kids. Like what what Dr. Clearfield was saying, they also were all their livers. Their studies showing that all their livers, at least everyone that they studied, they produce less glutathione so they have trouble with toxins building up. Another thing they all have is enzyme deficiencies. They’re born with enzyme deficiencies. And there’s a doctor I don’t know if he’s still still practicing are still around but in the Midwest who took 50 autistic children and had them in a very controlled environment. And were able to study them and at that time, there was five deficiencies that they could be born with as far as enzyme deficiencies to break down certain foods. A lot of people have heard about the gluten milk, the casein. So those are two very common ones. And there were three others I can’t remember they’re less common. And of course, you can have one or the other. I mean, you can have just one or a couple. I actually worked with a doctor here in New Jersey who was doing a study on kids on while people not just kids on the spectrum, studying the enzyme deficiencies like gluten, you know, in the in, I guess I was gonna say old days, but not that far, far back. They only knew that there was, you know, one, basically one gluten. The test was less, I guess specific and now they learned that there’s like tongue 10 subsets of the gluten. And what was interesting about the study was every child who had the casein or every person that had the casein deficiency had had a gluten one too, not necessarily vice versa. So that was very interesting that they all had had that. And my I, myself, actually, you know, being in West Virginia without the processed foods and whatnot. I didn’t know there was an issue with gluten I had the casing problem and it always looks like they outgrow it. I love that one. they outgrow the this But what people don’t understand is it’s a it’s an actual deficiency of that enzyme. And every, every protein everything in the body has to be broken down and told basically told where to go. Even if that’s to leave the body. It has to be recognized. And what happens is, when you have that enzyme deficiency, it doesn’t, you know, it doesn’t have to break it down. So it breaks down whatever the casein or the gluten whatever protein it is, in properly in the basically BBs chains of protein. So what happens in that doctor in the Midwest, what he was able to discover was that those chains of those garbage chains of protein, were had to go somewhere and he found 32 different areas in the brain for those protein basically garbage went in very interestingly, the those are autistic symptoms. They’re some of their symptoms, the sensory symptoms, a lot of different symptoms. So they actually looked more and more autistic, depending on how much of that you know, the gluten or the casein that they got because they stuffed more and more of the protein into areas of the brain. And what I have seen is I think every person that we sort of our brain sort of picks a spot. And what happens is, because it goes to the brain, the it actually gives a euphoric, some, you know, feeling to the child or to the person, so they actually crave the very thing that’s making them sick and making them look more and more autistic. So what I have found when I have take the culprit, basically the gluten or the case when we take it out of the diet, and then it’s exposed. It’s a when you call it, think of it like you know how the cilia in the intestines is, you know, nice and lively, when we’re born in the milk allergy or the milk reactions are huge, you know, diarrhea, bloody diarrhea, vomiting or whatnot. But over time, as the body you know, after like, I’ve had so many pediatricians, they keep trying and forcing the the parent to, you know, okay, it’s been six months. Let’s try it. Let’s try some milk if they keep pushing it and pushing it. I don’t understand why such you know, it’s like, there’s so many ways you can get, you know, calcium and, and everything, but they have to be they have to have milk. So, you know, okay, give it a rest for six months, and then we introduce it again. So they keep trying to do that. And because if you’ve ever been, you know, started looking at what do you call it the, like packages, you know, there’s casein and so much stuff that, you know, it’s not necessarily milk, but they’re getting bombarded with casein. So what happens is, those little sylius get smooshed down, basically, so that now the surface area is so much less that their reaction that they have for getting, you know, the milk becomes less severe. So of course that looks like they’re outgrowing. And so then they can now eat milk, okay, or drink milk or whatever. The cheese and whatnot, which of course, makes them have more and more autistic symptoms. And what I find when I take have them, take it out of the diet and let those little silly is that healthy again. Then they have you know, a big reaction you can see see it now, but what I find is parents will tell me what symptom they have based on where it goes to the brain. So I will have a parent my my cousin’s child is, is on the spectrum. And before I knew really knew about what you knew about the casein and the gluten and enzyme deficiency before I knew that about that. I spent, you know, beautiful day going out with the family. And I had the you know, this little he was probably three maybe at the time and a beautiful child you know, when a great day behavior was awesome. We come home and have pizza,
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two bytes, two bytes or pizza, which of course, gluten and casein, and he had the milk issue, so that means he probably had the issue. And 20 minutes later, it was like a switch. He became aggressive bouncing off the walls hyper for six hours, and I was like, What did you do? You do to this child? And then six hours, it was like a light switch and he was back to normal. So I’ll have parents that say, My child, I can always tell when he gets whatever it is, because his speech is slurred. You know? It’s like, it’s like depending on where in the brain it goes to my son. He can’t have gluten. I can always tell when he gets it at school. He goes into, you know, his into his imaginary when you call it he starts to do gibberish. So he stops you know, communicating in English and goes into a fantasy world. So I can always tell it’s much more you know, a lot more stem stimulating kinds of symptoms. When you call it just a lot more physically, you know, in his head and doing all kinds of things, you know, having battles and things in his mind and not really talking English and that will last for so long and then it will go away. So it’s almost like the body picks areas of where it deposits that stuff. And that doctor out west Dr. Shaw, his name was Dr. Shop because it was a controlled environment he was able to take out each figure out what each child’s enzyme deficiencies were, and take those out of the diet. And because it was so controlled, you know, it was 100% whereas to get to be out in the real world and have 100% Take it out of the diet. You basically have to go live off the land because you know, everything’s got so much crap in it these days. But what he was able to do, after 26 weeks, it was almost like the body. Like a computer sort of went through and, you know, checked over the brain and said, Wait a minute, what is this crap up here? So it like purged it. And so after the 26 weeks, all of a sudden they didn’t have autistic symptoms. So it looked like he cured autism. So because again, it was like it purged all that crap out of the brain. But like I said, to do that in the real world, you know, not in an environment that’s controlled is almost impossible. I myself mentioned I mentioned that, you know, I knew about I had an allergy a reaction to milk when I did go down to West Virginia because we got cow’s milk. So that caused a what they thought was almost an anaphylactic like reaction, so I knew I couldn’t have milk of any kind. Of course, it was like I outgrew it. And when I went to college now I start eating all kinds of crap. Milk, you know, all the boxed, you know, ramen noodles, or ramen noodles, whatever. It’s called all kinds of bad things. And within six months, you know, I’m in the ER, I’m you know, getting all kinds of lovely upper GI all this, you know, having all these medical problems, and I just got sicker and sicker and sicker till I started having all these autoimmune problems. You know, again, I didn’t know about the whole gluten. I just knew I had a casein issue. And of course, I outgrew it. So, you know, I was making myself sicker and sicker until I had some found out that there was you know, 10 subsets and had some testing. So anyway, the time is I just, I’m rattling on. Why don’t we do some questions, because I know I’m going around in circles a little bit.
1:01:01
I like I’d like to add something here. If you don’t find Dr. William regarding autism. I know is abnormal, and the neuroplasticity of the brain. Those kids they born with abnormal connections and plasticity. So what’s that mean? Well, it means that they cannot form new circuits of neurons with interest in order to form a new circuits of activities that represent certain activities. They have to be connected to dopamine and all this heavy molecules so they have interest and those kids because of the inflammation and the inflammation and the neuroglia gliosis. They cannot break up from the routine, because it’s those circuits that are already formed are very tight and connected and they cannot break up to form new circuits with interest. So they stick into their routines that they are doing because that’s only pleasurable things that they can do and they cannot create a new circuits for activities and connect them with the happy molecules because they have normal plasticity of the of the neuron normally, you know, we can enjoy other things besides the routine that we’re doing. And we can connect with having molecules and we enjoy activities or social interactions and and all of this is kicks up the dopamine and form your circuits and can be creative there. But those people those patients so those kids, they are stuck into their circuits because they don’t able to form new circuits with with with happy molecules that will reward that circuits and make those kids to you know, moving out from their from their comfort zone. And so it’s it’s and what drives the whole abnormal nurse neuroplasticity is inflammation. And I think there is some genetic factor there. That’s why you have people have it and people they don’t but then there’s also contribution factor which aggravate the condition so all what you’re talking about screening oldest free radicals generators and trying to neutralize them. It’s possible as trying to reduce the the those insulting, free radicals that may aggravate the condition itself. And so when you are saying that they have enzyme deficiency, they don’t produce enough of glutathione they don’t have enough of antioxidant expressions. They don’t recycle toxins. Those are all aggravating factors, but there must be an genetic problem in the base and all this are contributing factors and yes, when you take care of all this, the contributing factors definitely you decrease the inflammation of the brain and and the patient’s neuroplasticity may gain back to not completely normal but you know, near to normal, something like that. And they start resuming other activities and forming new circuits. But once those once you quit eliminating those contributing factor which costs too much of money because you have to supply them with all this supplements and all that stuff and they have to maintain on it, you know, just going against the flow. And definitely it requires a lot of care there. And also you need to do all this social interactions and carrots. There’s a lot of behavior, cognitive therapy that goes along with therapies. Along with that. I mean oxytocin set, you know, there’s lots of articles that oxytocin may help to increase the expression of antioxidants so intranasal oxytocin, possibly methylene blue, those peptides that helps to decrease the inflammation especially the TX 17 inflammation because that’s the one that that’s causing the problem was th 17. And anything that helps to decrease specifically at 17. So you need to go with maybe low dose Naltrexone and all this good stuff that we are learning from here. Possibly this may help to increase the expression of antioxidant and and possibly polarize the immune system away from a balanced immune system and polarizing away from T at 17 over activities. But you know, it’s it’s it’s required metabolic it require redox therapies, behavior therapies, and all this in order to reach to the to the goal of treatment, but again, as you said, if you stop taking the control environment, they will relapse because there is a genetic background there. Possibly the genetic background can be kind of reversed by oxytocin because oxytocin does work in increasing the expression of the genes and state like I don’t know we need to have some studies there and, and their effect is a little bit longer lasting. Some peptides, possibly with some genetic changes as well with those peptides that we’re using. An example is KVP had melanocytes stimulating hormone derivatives and many other things. But giving IV glutathione is not good idea, giving it all the time because you have the glutamate part, which is neurotoxic unless you’re going to give NAC and acetylcysteine I prefer giving that over glutathione if you want to get good at it and just once a month that will be enough. So those are the discussion about the treatments and pathophysiology and I’m just trying to add this to the group here so we can have different insights and different inputs.
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Yes, definitely. Yeah, sorry. There’s, you know, go ahead, go ahead.
Bill Clearfield 1:07:07
With your you want to answer the question. So what I put up here is sort of like a summary of so what we found so first of all, we found over 400 different genes have some effect or some some effects with with in the autism spectrum. So it’s a little impractical to go after each one of them. So, elite until we find one, one or two or five or six that are the main ones. But like I was when you were on your break, I was talking about the you know the we had done a study on hormonal abnormalities in these autistic kids. And that one of the one of the first things that apparently happens is you get a disconnect, you get a high growth hormone in elevated growth hormone level versus a low IGF one which is usable question level, and it actually starts within one to three months of birth. And so these kids have big heads bigger than most kids, when kids have kids but these babies have big really big heads that the parents don’t don’t realize until maybe at a at a year old. But it’s they’re kind of empty headed so the body doesn’t the internal organs don’t grow but the skull grows and the sort of the the body itself proportionately grows. And so it seems to be a disconnect because like I said the Montefiore Hospital in New York City, treats these kids with IGF one, and they seem to have some some good good effects, with hyperactivity and the flip flopping of stereotypy and depression, anxiety and behavioral issues. So what I have up here are medications as you can see on the top that are will help the growth hormone IGF one pathway heal itself. We find that the interleukin six the cytokine is high in in these autistic kids extremely high and it turns out that high levels of growth hormone, increase interleukin six, so it’s sort of a double whammy. So some of these medications so intranasal insulin is one that that that seems to be helped low dose Naltrexone as was mentioned, the TC DS and these are again in low doses will block interleukin six status and verapamil and I’ve actually used this in the low dose like 40 milligrams in kids with the the stereotypical here, depression hyperactivity, mood changes. Verapamil 40 milligrams which is you know, half the half a dose of usually is at the tip for high blood pressure. And I can never pronounce these I know Dr. Spears on now, I can never pronounce these biologics that this is an interleukin six blocker. These are the supplements that will do the same thing. And there’s a brand called neuro protect any you RP or OTK. That’s a combination of quercetin, luteolin and Rutan. It’s about $39 a month. And so we’ve used this for the autistic kids also. So it’s a lot of what you’re talking about dovetails with, you know, what we found with autistic autistic kids and symptoms are similar to you know, sort of, you know, mild to moderate traumatic brain injury. Growth Hormone excesses here, memory issues, concentration, mental clarity, obsessive compulsive paranoia, poor concentration, and ability to switch between tasks. That’s That’s seems to be a big one. And that happens happens a lot with growth hormone excess. It’s what’s what we call executive function. And so, and this is a sort of a little schematic that I made of, sort of the the, the, the whole picture of growth hormone, so repetitive behavior social isolation hypersensitivity. The turtle activation which is sometimes infections, some sort of something happens in the utero. infection could be infections seems to be like I said earlier, high levels of growth hormone and testosterone in utero causes microglial activation inflammation and cited cytokine storm. We ended up with, you know, the big headed kid, elevated growth hormone elevated interleukin six, decreased IGF one increased IGF BP one which is the one of the transport proteins, cerebral damage, low GABA, which is the neurotransmitter calming neurotransmitter, and that’s where we get the repetitive behaviors and restlessness. So that’s a way to look at it. It’s sort of hard to explain it. It’s not deep the only way but it’s a way and then we also found that there’s high levels of testosterone in these kids. I have a good friend who’s got an autistic son, I guess he’s 14 Now, when he was 10. I met met that met them when he was 10. And we went to we were out somewhere and it was in the summertime. And I noticed that he had a lot of hair on his legs. And so I asked mom, I says dizzy and she says, Oh yeah, he’s always playing with himself too. We did a testosterone level and the kids total testosterone was 674. It was like, you know, he’s 10 years old. So we did some of that we gave him some we just did some herbal remedies. We didn’t do anything drastic to lower the testosterone levels and he did did quite a bit better until the divorce. The divorce dad got himself involved and they actually had me a court order to not not have anything to do with them. So but that’s that’s another story. Okay. You want to answer some of the questions now and you go
1:13:17
back to the therapies. I got a copy of it, please.
1:13:20
I liked that. The therapy plan, you know,
1:13:24
there you go. There’s one.
Bill Clearfield 1:13:28
This is just one part. There’s a second part to this where I actually go through every each hormone will you know, 12 of them that we deal with and and look at them whether they’re elevated or diminished so we can we can do that some night if you like.
1:13:42
Yeah, please. I think this this,
Bill Clearfield 1:13:45
anybody else is interested in that. So
1:13:47
yeah, this is great. I like
Bill Clearfield 1:13:50
the hormone I’m the hormone nerd everything and
1:13:53
we can make out of this supplement. You know, a gummy. That’s what I’m doing right now. And working with something manufacture so I’m gonna use this to make the gummy out of this.
Bill Clearfield 1:14:03
All right, well, I want I’m gonna I’m gonna call it Dr. C.
1:14:09
I’ll give you I’ll give you the loyalty. I’ll share with you the legacy. Don’t worry,
Bill Clearfield 1:14:14
please. Okay, so, answer some questions here. So Dr. Nereo s is putting them on supplements a sign of help. In the court.
1:14:23
It does sometimes. I certainly have. You know, when you have a parent who’s not doing treatment versus a parent who is trying to do you know, lots of good hormones, inch or not hormones, but like supplements and whatnot. interest interesting. You know, I’m looking at I see everything from the psychiatry, you know, stand for IT standpoint. And when I first started, you know, with treatment, it’s not, you know, trying to do things besides regular medicine, you know, medicine and and all of that stuff trying to do, you know, going down a different path. I was, you know, start a supplement, of course, one at a time and it was really interesting to see what symptoms, what autistic symptoms would like with the the Omega threes, you know, for depending on their age, in about six months, we would see you know, improvement in their speech, their language with probiotics happened on a why six months seems to be the thing but I also you know, we’d see within six months start to see, you know, improvements in in some of the social areas, that serotonin was a big one with my son. Nobody would have started treatment with my son is early Of course as I did, but I was on Effexor, the antidepressant Effexor and the it was Celexa, so high serotonin and then effects were serotonin and norepinephrine. And when I breastfed my son for two years, I call me I call him my effects your baby. The happiest little thing ever. When I winked him. He actually what I thought we were so confused because I know this child that was running around and playing all of a sudden, couldn’t walk down an incline, would actually put his hands down. Just to walk down an incline. And you know, at first, we thought it was maybe a balance issue. We weren’t sure what it was. And here it was anxiety. And when I put him back on his serotonin agent, then his bat went away he became you know, it’s like that anxiety was much improved and, and the farther he got from the breast milk, my breast milk, the more autistic he became to which was very interesting. So when I put him on serotonin, the social the social nervous, it seemed like the serotonin is very responsible for social socialists but I’m definitely someone had asked about some of the other supplements I know you have a bunch of good ones. I am used the
1:17:17
I don’t see oxytocin there in your list. Why’s that? This is
Bill Clearfield 1:17:21
this is just just as just for the high interleukin six high growth hormone. That’s this is not a complete list. Okay, that’s what this is for. I have that’s important too.
1:17:37
There’s also low dose dextromethorphan and low dose Risperdal, low risk per dollar was interesting low dose response a lot of people don’t know about. Can I wonder how much learning about the hormones how much of the low dose Risperdal had to do with the prolactin? The when when Risperdal came out in 2019 94. A lot of the really severe autistic children were taking like five medicines they were on some type of a serotonin med usually some type of you know dopamine for the self abusive. So like, even like a health or sometimes so they were like they were on like five medicines. So when Risperdal came out, it affected serotonin, dopamine and alphas which the in there now is intuitive and cat say they used to be clonidine and guanfacine. They made ones that are you know, longer acting. So, the Risperdal did that. Did it all together, you know, in one pill, so they got changed over and the children you know, they were on little little dosages, and after, what I found about one month per age for a year, so, if they were six, it would be about six months, they started developing social skills eye contact, so it seemed like the Risperdal the low dose, Risperdal really, you know, help some of the core symptoms, which was very interesting. We didn’t expect that
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their role is calcium channel blocker, and we know that they NMDA receptors are open up for those people. That goes near gliosis. So you’re blocking the, the calcium channels, you’re blocking the glutamate with resveratrol.
1:19:34
Right, right. And like I said, it also, you know, increases the prolactin so going back to the hormones, you know, I wonder how you know, how much it just seems to have a lot of the right does the right things. Like what are you talking about? Point five is usually for most children if you go if you get to a milligram or above it agitates them and it doesn’t work. This way, it doesn’t seem to work. You know, I think it affects everything a little bit different when it gets to the higher dosages.
1:20:12
So 45 milligram of resveratrol, point five Yeah, was really low. I know it’s
1:20:20
500 milligram No, no
1:20:22
no, no. Risperdal is point five or one milligram. It goes 123 and 4.25. And a point five,
Bill Clearfield 1:20:31
the I had that everyone was gynecomastia with
1:20:36
right and that’s and that’s because, yes, they there was 50 of us from the United States that were chosen to be to teach other Doc’s about this low dose way to use it. But this, you know, lawyers got involved red tape. They were afraid that if we if they said it helped autism and it more than just agitation for agitation, if we said, you know, it started to help some of the core symptoms like the icon that they would, they would get sued because that they you know, didn’t sure it wouldn’t let us teach the other you know, the pediatricians and everybody, we weren’t allowed to do that. So everybody used it wrong, and they caused, you know, too high dosages, the gynecomastia was a mess. So they got sued all you know, up the wazoo because of that. But the low dose, I would have children that were being you know, very agitated by a higher dose I would bring it down to point five. And then we would see the improvements happening. I even had adults who were had never been on medication like an Alabama oh my god, there’s no treatment at all for even medicine, let alone psych down there. And I would have adults with that were on the spectrum that the low dose response would also help. So, you know, like I said, I there’s a lot of different I think, aspects to that. But it has to be a low dose.
1:22:04
I think I’m confusing with resveratrol. And that’s another supplement.
Bill Clearfield 1:22:12
There’s no at all and
1:22:13
is it saying you’re talking about resveratrol,
1:22:16
Risperidone and Risperdal. Yeah,
1:22:19
no, it is very. Trump is a supplement. That
Bill Clearfield 1:22:25
No, that’s it. No, you’re not talking about that. She started. So respirable it’s very tricky.
1:22:31
That’s the reason I’m gonna come so whereas natural, which is also helps autism because it’s calcium channel blocker and blocks to go to me. But now you’re talking about another drug, which completely different. Okay, gotcha. Thank you, doctor.
1:22:47
What’s the age group? Did you use this low dose?
1:22:51
Like I said, Even adults, if that were, you know, drug naive, I would even see an adult so I know with my son, I started him. I started him on like Celexa when he was, so maybe two and a half now three when he was three, and then Risperdal, I added a little bit after that at the low dose, so I’ve I actually I had some twins I had to, I had 22 month old twins and they were running into the wall and hurting themselves and I did them with the risk but all the tiny dosage I find almost everybody needs a point five every now and then I’ll have someone who’s very sensitive and only needs a point to five. If you go up to the point five in the morning, they kind of look a little you know, drugged then I would know that you know, to go back to the point two, five, and if you use point two, five, let’s say you’re just conservative instead of, you know, just take you longer to get where you want to go. So like I said, it was about one month per year. So at six months, we would see the improvement if they were over 12 It would take usually between nine months and a year. Even the child themselves would start to notice Wow, I’m starting to get friends. You know, they noticed the social things and social things always were last Of course, and after about about four to six weeks, the parents would start to notice you know, they the ones who didn’t eat much or were very restricted, they would start to you know, restricted in what what they would eat, they would start to, you know, eat a little bit better and it was interesting with the low dose I did not have the problem with the weight gain. I only had the problem with weight gain in that a couple who were very obsessive about eating something that was you know, not good but most of them if they were a little bit on the over ed or obsessive eaters, it would actually come down more chore no more toward nor more towards no normal and my ones who did not eat basically, you know, didn’t eat anything they would. They would come up and it seemed to eat more more typical. I just saw a question come up about dextromethorphan. Yes, low dose dextromethorphan. is another thing that’s very helpful with behavior. We see a lot of you know, it’s not right for everyone, but for my for my people, you know, they did a lot of studies I saw the studies with like, you’re like 1010 years old. I know I learned about it later, my son was older so I started him on it when he was I don’t remember exactly when maybe 12 And when he doesn’t get it, he’s self stimulating. He is a lot of you know this almost like slapping but his is more like he smacks his face or ears. And that will really goes really decreases and actually greatly decreases. And if I don’t give him the dextromethorphan like, let’s say we run out or something that you know behavior increases, but it has to be low dose again. I think the the cough medicine is like 10 mils. Let’s see. Five mils is like 30 milligrams, I believe. And that’s the recommended dose is the 30. So it’s much less than the den for the cough. You know, new dexta is the is basically dextromethorphan with Quinidine, which they use for the brain injuries. So, you know, we can’t find that of course in for kids. We won’t can’t get it approved. And, you know, I have not certainly tried that one. I actually think that because I’ve tried drainage but um, so, you know, that’s, there’s a lot of studies with that in kids that, you know, the, again, going back to the, like their, you know, the traumatic brain injury they basically have a lot of the similar as Dr. Is Dr. Clearfield was mentioning a lot of similarities there. So I think that’s helps in that regard.
1:27:12
You select More dose. I’m sorry. When would you use Alexa and at work clothes?
Bill Clearfield 1:27:21
Um, so when did you select it and what?
1:27:26
Yeah, I when I have a lot of anxiety I’m usually like a 10 milligrams. I’m the I think it’s different for every child but usually, I usually use like a 10 milligrams if they have sometimes it can be helpful for the OCD symptoms to risk but all really helps with the OCD symptoms to the low dose. So that usually needs a little bit higher. But usually 10 For most people, most of my kids.
Bill Clearfield 1:27:57
We found that clonazepam a very low dose 0.3 milligrams has a GABA allosteric modifier and it improves you I have it here in cognition social memory. Anxiety, intellectual defect, point oh three milligrams sorry, it’s been a while since I looked at this point, oh three milligrams a day, which has to be compounded. And again, it can be drowsiness, dizziness, those kinds of things. So what I had over here are some repurposed drugs. So if you teta mind, which is you know, as a diuretic, Clonazepam, verapamil, user oil, low doses, low dose naltrexone, statins, and so we put it put I put it together in this kind of chart here. So you know, there’s lots there’s lots of things that can be done if you know we get get away from well, there’s only just respirable and that’s it, which is, again, that’s what the pediatrician’s and at least around here, where I am, um, that’s all that you know, that’s all the that’s all they’ll do. Can we there’s there’s a bunch of questions in the chat. This way, we already know the ad can mild autism be functional in the sense that it can finish high school and college so that’s, that’s a yes. Right?
1:29:14
Yes, yes, definitely. You know, basically, the the low the mild ones, you know, can be anything as far as you know, goes to college and med school, as I did. But um, yeah, that’s definitely the most people don’t even know. Yeah, but they have autism when they’re really
Bill Clearfield 1:29:37
a typical Well, you know, there’s way more awareness of it now than there used to be, is there a typical sort of pattern of what happens to these kids wants to be you know, become adults.
1:29:49
It really depends on Yeah, how, you know how severe they have it because some are, you know, have to be more helped you know, helped more like a group home or assisted, you know, living kind of situation and I, the schools out here are horrible. I fight with my school all the time. They’re training my son to be a low functioning adult, instead of, you know, teaching basically finding his skills because that’s the another big thing you can have, you know, they have the splinter skills, so you can have a really bright in certain areas. And then of course, you know, can’t function in the typical you have to tell them to bathe, and stuff like that. So it’s just so unique. Really.
Bill Clearfield 1:30:36
There’s a mention of a doctor Rashad Butare, who’s an army officer who’s apparently treated a lot of autistic patients I know that someone some of the apparently, they looking at detoxifying from heavy metals. I don’t know if you have any experience with that.
1:30:53
Oh definitely in that you know, the NAC and the glutathione trying to help i i know what the little ones Epsom salts. If you can get them to do Epsom salts bath can also help with the detox. So that’s yeah, definitely.
Bill Clearfield 1:31:10
So what happens with in the glutathione pathway and also in Cetyl cysteine is that the mineral molybdenum gets chewed up and it’s after if you use it for about a year and it will become ineffective and Epsom salt baths are actually a good way to replace the molybdenum with without having to give another supplement. Right, right. high testosterone and growth hormone and mom or baby The answer is both what to do with teenagers and college aged ASD DRT two to the power struggles and limited thinking about fairness. What the question Is there it’s from as if you’re still one could elaborate maybe or maybe understand I’m not sure with that. But the question is, ASD or wrt to the power struggles and limited thinking about fairness. So
1:32:09
I do definitely see that I see those sorts sorts of symptoms decrease as they age, again, that area of the brain whether it matures what I’m not exactly sure what but we definitely see some symptoms that are problematic when they’re younger, that completely disappear. And then you can have new ones that that show up. So that is one with with treatment. So this child that I saw when he was 1315 years later he shot for people and killed a kid and that’s why I was out, you know, had to testify. He had no treatment so that that fairness in the he had a huge problem with them, you know, authority and so no treatment is definitely Oh, that’s another thing was, you know, how I don’t know every 50 years. They kind of decide switch they’re just you know, basically say okay, the brain is maturing or in is going along, next to like growing along next to, you know, neuro. What is it neurotypical and then they changed your mind and say it’s growing away from or deteriorating? I think it’s the deterioration deteriorating if you get no treatment instead of the just growing alongside or differently. I saw two cases in Alabama, um, same psychiatrist or psychologist, three years apart from the testing. So very, you know, very similar basically exactly the same types of same type the same test by the same person. The one was a genius. The other one was average and three years later with no treatment, they both lost 30 IQ points. So, you know, I think that doing the supplements and treatment is just so important, even if they are mild. I think that’s, you know, a big
Bill Clearfield 1:34:18
there are there are and I forget what the names are their extensive sort of intervention programs have been around I mean, these kids go, I know it’s like almost like a school. They go all day long to these sorts of intervention programs. I mean, they have to cost a fortune to be part of that. So do you know anything about any of those and their success rate?
1:34:42
I know you know, there’s a lot of different ones like you mentioned that are you know, and I think it depends on the children. They’re also unique. Some of them really respond well to that. I know. There’s a couple of colleges in the east over here that are very geared towards the kids on the spectrum and had some great success with them flourishing in that environment when they get the right you know, supports. So
Bill Clearfield 1:35:10
what is one one expression I heard over and over again, is when you meet an autistic child, you’ve met one autistic child. Hmm, yeah, it’s one size does not fit all. Any thoughts on the MMR vaccine?
1:35:25
Definitely. You know, the, what was it the UK? The UK, sorry, it’s getting late and my brain gets very tired. The British the Brit Britain, I think it was sorry. We went in with the study’s we went in with that. I think it was the UK. I’m not exactly sure at this moment.
Bill Clearfield 1:35:50
But the British researcher do it and then he became right. Credited or something
1:35:56
that’s right. And they they got sued. Because they manipulated you know the results. When you look at the actual study itself. What they did was they took each instead of taking like ADHD and autism, and each learning disorders, they separated them out to say they weren’t significant. But when you added them all together, they increased by something like, I don’t know, 238% more, but when you took them separately, and so that’s what they did. They said, you know, only two out of whatever. Were autistic, so that wasn’t significant. But when you increase when you looked at all of them together, there was a huge increase from the MMR. So I know with my son, I went round and round with the pediatrician. And I wanted to separate them out, and he wouldn’t. So we ended up my son did have the MMR and two weeks later his bowel stopped, completely stopped. He had an overgrowth of yeast I found out eventually after the GI doctor told me there was nothing wrong with my son even though every week we were in the ER after we filled him up with food. We had to clean him out because his bowels and stop moving. So there’s definitely you know, and again, is it just a stressor? What is it but there is definitely an increase with the MMR.
Bill Clearfield 1:37:26
Um, do you have any suggestions for supplements, procedures, acupuncture, light therapy for autism, any sort of general rule of thumb or No,
1:37:35
again? Yeah, I think it’s more individual. Although the Omega threes the probiotic some of those seem to be pretty, you know, everybody, all the kids usually have some good response to those. So I haven’t I haven’t, you know, and I don’t know anything about acupuncture and whatnot as far as with the kids on the spectrum.
Bill Clearfield 1:37:57
Well, again, acupuncture has an anti interleukin six effect to it. So there should be some effect or any effectiveness for naltrexone. Assuming low dose naltrexone,
1:38:10
right, yes. I don’t know too much about that one myself. But I know that you mentioned that I think Dr. Clearfield right. Yeah, we’ve
Bill Clearfield 1:38:19
used it. We actually make it into a crane. It has a it shifts to th one pro inflammatory to enter any inflammatory cells, and it reduces interleukin six and TNF alpha, and it has effects on these types of behaviors and self injury, communication skills, social withdrawal. We’ve had some success with it not a whole lot. I was hoping that for more. You know, it’s used for lots of different things. We make it into point one milligram per kilogram and increase it to a top dose of one milligram per kilogram side effects there’s some nausea and nightmares and rebound insomnia. So we’ve had some success. With it but again, you’re not going to find a cure all you know if you’re looking for you know, the the cure. So far, I don’t know that it’s really going to find it. Okay. I mean, you have to just hit it from everything. So the next question is about mycotoxins, plasma mycoplasmas, metals, heavy metals, all of the yes, we do it all. So, but you know, you have more experience with this than I do. So, you have you seen them, you know, mold infections, you know, yeast parasites,
1:39:32
right. Definitely, you know, all of those that again, goes back to individual but definitely, again, them being able to, whether it is, you know, able to fight it or not, they all seem to the yeast overgrowth is a big thing. I know that’s very, very common with a lot of the kids some I’ve even had some kids that I’ve seen on Neistat and I hurt my personally I haven’t started them on that but if you tried to take them off of that, their behavior just really increases so definitely a lot of that probably having to go back to like their, the inflammation in their immune system and, and that kind of thing. I think.
Bill Clearfield 1:40:22
Yeah, dark darker Andrew Campbell who’s sort of one of the Guru’s of of mycotoxins. and whatnot. He recommends I atrophic connoisseur of sport and ox, he says has very low side side effect profile is very, very effective. And adults he does it 100 milligrams twice a day and it scales it down from there for kids. And I don’t have the dosage in the top of my head but he uses that very, very, very effectively. As far as that any fungal thank you Dr. Stone. Very informative. Lecture dextromethorphan. You asked about that Mariana I’ll get I’ll get that later.
1:41:11
Information from Dr. Stone. Which colleges are you recommending for the kids?
1:41:19
I’m sorry. Which colleges. I don’t know that. There’s one here that is. Gosh, I’m sorry if this time of night I can get back to you on that. So if you’d like because there’s a couple. There’s one that’s really good here in Hackettstown. And there’s one in Connecticut. That’s really good too. But I can’t think of
Bill Clearfield 1:41:47
colleges that that are studying this. Okay. So, again on the East Coast, Montefiore Hospital has done a lot of research and out here out west, UC Davis seems to be a go to place so it’s halfway between Reno and San Francisco. Dr. Nereo list, should we refer to psychiatry for low dose Risperdal are we can can we prescribe it and what labs should be requested before us?
1:42:21
I actually would do it. I would have you do it yourself because so many, like I said very few people know about the low dose. Risperdal unfortunately. And lab work you know we just do the regular Of course, the hormones and whatnot. Um, definitely look into those. So, not a specific necessarily, lab work, you know, we do as many nutritional deficiencies, deficiencies and whatnot as you can do. Um, but yeah, I would do the risk by yourself. There’s just not enough people who know about it.
Bill Clearfield 1:42:59
I’m looking for the work up here. I have it here somewhere. Here it is. This is what we were doing. You know, all of these, you know, sort of routine stuff. Heavy metals, C reactive protein, vitamin D. Blood sugar. Cysteine is a marker for glutathione and then heavy metal testing organic acids, sort of minerals, stool analysis, intestinal permeability, SIBO MRI or CAT scan of the head functional MRI, I mean, not all of these obviously. And then these are this is our home hormone workup here.
1:43:49
A lot of people have the leaky gut, a lot of kids on the spectrum get the leaky gut. That’s another thing that you would want to treat too. Right.
Bill Clearfield 1:43:58
So how just how to help with this behavior to help overcome limited thinking.
1:44:09
You know, there’s just really trying to tackle as many as many of the, you know, the toxins and and the supplements and everything because you never know which one is going to be right for that. Person. They’re just, where’s it coming from is the problem. It’s too unique, I think.
Bill Clearfield 1:44:29
What do you mean by separating MMR with your son? I have an idea, but I’ll let you answer.
1:44:35
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Trying to do the you know, the mumps the measles. And just taking and having them do each one at least a month apart separately, and the pediatrician was more concerned about the I guess it’s the measles by itself being more you know, potent but I’ve I’ve had other parents do the same thing. And, you know, I think it’s just it’s just healthier for the for the kids the stress on their body was a lot less.
Bill Clearfield 1:45:07
i This is Doctor I can never pronounce really good. Kana. Watty. I just I think the thyroid is really important. She had four year olds on the spectrum of Hashimotos. And a really small dose can go a long way.
1:45:20
Yeah, definitely.
Bill Clearfield 1:45:24
I’ve had a few myself and we make sure that the thyroid function is as normal as we can get it. We like the desiccated thyroid, which you know to pick the endocrinologist screaming their heads off if they see that. Yeah. Yeah, we use we use the low dose Naltrexone for that and we use plants through a lens which are actually the fat from plants and they actually sort of act like Pac Man in the bloodstream and they sort of eat up the, the antibodies so so that’s a little bit of experience like that. A doctor as has Mitchell College in New London, Connecticut, is that is that?
1:46:01
I have? I have not? Yeah, I’ve not heard of that one myself.
Bill Clearfield 1:46:06
If you’re on Dr. As unmute yourself and elaborate if you’re here so let’s get on mute.
1:46:18
Especially Don is very harsh drug I mean that’s what I got advice so disparate on it’s very harsh drug it’s anti pace anti psychotic psychotic. They giving the patient with bipolar and schizophrenia. I think we need to go you know, a little bit stepwise so that he got syndrome needs to be fixed, yes, and doing oxytocin, possibly some polyphenols and during the time when the patient is taking vaccines, they really need to be on polyphenols and oxytocin and a little bit boosted up so they can reverse the the side effects of the disturbance of the immune system from the vaccine and possibly balancing it. So this is something you can also recommend if they do vaccine, then you just give them a pack of supplements along with polyphenol oxytocin to help to make sure that they will not irritate the neuroglia for their and and aggravate the autism. But if you go with people that are doing everything there, it’s going to be costly and possibly it will be too much. And so we need to learn how to do supplement oxytocin going with something that’s simple. And then if it’s not responding, we’re going to add more of drugs. So step wise going with supplements first, then to the pharmaceutical, I think is the best option.
1:47:48
Definitely and I also you know, recommend of course waiting as long as you know till the time the children are older, not giving the first of all the immunizations at the same time separating them out, you know, at least a month. The regular pediatricians are you know, so they’re just like brainwashed into getting immunizations as you know soon and young because they don’t trust they don’t they don’t trust you know, the parents to do what you have to do. You know, they, like I said, I don’t care if I’m taking my son, you know, once a month or you know, every couple of months I will do that. They don’t trust that we will actually do that because there’s so many, you know, just to get basically there’s there’s their thinking is getting in when they’re they come in because of course there’s a lot of low functioning adults and whatnot. They just don’t trust trust us. So you really have to advocate you know, or find, I know the over here in the east we don’t have a lot of a lot of good like call me up classes and you know, out of the box thinking Docs is harder to find. So you have to really advocate for you know, the kids,
Bill Clearfield 1:49:05
you have to call the American Osteopathic Society of integrative medicine to find the let me
1:49:11
let me be more practical here. You know, it’s so difficult to redefine or change the routine there but it’s so easy if we say okay, you want to take the vaccine, take the vaccine but take this pack of Optima at the same time to prevent imbalance in the immune system because those vaccine what it does it really some of them it goes more of polarization to th 17 interleukin six over inflammation and that aggravate the whole condition there so at least you have tell them okay get the vaccine as they told you about just get this pack of polyphenols oxytocin, and at the same time they take the vaccine that may help to reverse or prevent the damaging effect of vaccine but if just tell them separating and trying to change and sometimes they put you under the umbrella of anti Vax, pull your license out. And that’s what’s happening to better McCall. I think it’s better to you know, go along what they have and try to just patch it as much as you can.
1:50:20
These days though, vaccines are not available by itself MMR particularly Yeah, it in my practice and and we were not able to get it their staff making it.
1:50:32
Yeah, yeah, that has been you know, it’s been a problem.
Bill Clearfield 1:50:39
Statement hard to find a pediatrician now that will give separate vaccines, you know,
1:50:44
yeah, and like you said in like you said they don’t make them anymore. So it’s you know, basically yeah,
1:50:50
the answer is that just tell the pediatrician, add this pack of polyphenols oxytocin and during the of the vaccine, I think that may help to seem like COVID vaccine. I mean, sometimes Okay, you want to take the COVID See, take it but then take this pack of of, of supplements or gummies gummies. You can do a lot of things in it. And I think that maybe helped to at least reversing the damage or prevented damage. It’s coming from any vaccine out there.
1:51:24
Or move to a state where you don’t have to take it and just refuse to take it. That’s an option also. Right?
1:51:32
Well, I’m just trying to come up with practical solutions here. Along with the mainstream medicine, okay, do your thing, but at least let us do things that helps to counteract any side effects from your vaccine because they’re not convinced. I mean, if you talk to a doctor, what if his name I think his name is Peter, but anyways, he’s the vaccine guy. And his kids are autistic, by the way, okay. And he’s telling No, my kids has an AVS. He’s the one who’s creating the vaccines and all that for the kids.
1:52:04
As long as we as long as we got the religion exemption, and we’ve got the other exemptions. It’s okay for us to take those in effect, and let’s just fix that. Let’s quit injury and these kids. Just point blank, you know, you know, yeah. And, you know,
Bill Clearfield 1:52:22
you saw how well that worked doing COVID, right.
1:52:26
I know, there are states that are allowing it now though, just saying.
1:52:32
Yeah, difficult approach. I think the realistic realistic thing at least you have, like now Dr. William, he has a very nice selected pack of things and that can be done in form of a gummy. For for kids. And they say okay, take your vaccine and take this gummy at the same time, you know, put the beer gummy there and it’s for the kids and put it in Amazon and
1:52:56
I agree. Right you have to do the study before you say that otherwise you will be liable for a lot of things.
1:53:08
What do you mean
1:53:09
supplements? Since I’m not a doctor, I really don’t have to worry about that.
1:53:12
No. Tell them this is supplement. You don’t need to tell them that this is going to reverse imbalance. This is supplement help to balance your immune system. Okay. You don’t need to put a claim there. You can
1:53:27
system that is a claim.
1:53:29
No you can there is the if you go to them has done a supplement. There’s some of them say immune boosting. I think they’re lowering that those word of boosting your immune system boosting your heart function boosting boosting, but you’re not specific with disease so I think that terminology is okay right? Because if you go to Amazon Hey, we go there you there’s just type.
Bill Clearfield 1:53:52
You here’s your anything. You’re not curing anything. You can’t say tree you can’t say you can say aid.
1:54:00
Hey, yeah,
Bill Clearfield 1:54:01
ooh stage. You can say help. How can say cure? You can’t say treat.
1:54:06
Right. And that’s what I’m just saying. Just saying I’m boosting there. You’re balancing your immune system. How about that? Balancing
Bill Clearfield 1:54:16
doctor as is that you also uses homeopathic remedies when taking vaccines. And before I saw the next one, I was gonna say Thuja and that’s Dr. Nereo. already has that. And the doctor good states. She uses poly phenols vitamin C and some other supplements along with Homeopathics. Connecticut lost the religious exemption. And that’s one of the questions. So is there is there a protocol that you would you would follow for pre vaccine would you advise parents you know, especially parents who already have what just the kids you know, if for whatever reason they have to, you know, they’re forced to take it or they the parents want to give it to them or whatever. Yeah, again,
1:55:02
I just, you know, I think having them on as many supplements, you know, just to keep basically to help in any way possible. Like he said the immune system or not, but again, separating them out I just see so much less you know, it’s so much less stressful on the on their systems, if you can separate them out, wait till they’re older and you can do that. I mean, they give you know, they just automatically give everything you know, at first they give so many different things. And you just have you have to argue and you know, again, just, you know refuse to have those give until they’re older. And if your child’s not going to be you know, in child care, they’re going to be at home. There’s no reason to take like the hepatitis of birth. I mean, that’s just crazy. But
Bill Clearfield 1:55:53
I know there were there were a lot of them and in a previous life I used to deliver babies and then take care of them too. And I remember what there was, at one point they were 2028 vaccines in the first 15 months of life and bunch bunch of different combinations and there’d be no one’s coming out every every three months. And then And then three months later, they would they would they would be taken off the market because they you know, they were causing all sorts of problems. So finally I said I said I’m not doing this anymore. I’ll give the kids the stuff that we got when we when we were you know, when we were kids the stuff that it took 50 years to figure out how to use not not these things that come out and you know, in six weeks in the neighborhood, they haven’t recalled because oh sorry, we have 15,000 kids with seizures now because we gave them this this stuff so
1:56:41
what about FL CCC? Do they have a pre for babies? Do they have a protocol? I know they do for COVID I just don’t know if they do for babies and for pregnant mothers.
1:56:53
No, no FLCC is completely limited to COVID I think they are now struggling right now because COVID is out so they might need to figure out something different but they don’t have any pediatric target or pregnancy target just they’re very limited in their protocol. I think Dr. William here is doing way better than FLCC.
Bill Clearfield 1:57:14
Well, I don’t know Dr. McCall is doing that it my good pal, Dr. Peter McCall is doing way better than me. He got all the publicity. He’s all he gets all the grief to you,
1:57:25
too. He got his license out. Yeah, yeah, he got the frontier. So yeah, my call is great. He got the media and attention of the Republicans patients but the problem is that the mainstream medicine did screw them so badly. You don’t want to be in that position on this politic problem right now politics is it’s not has nothing problem with medical is politics and he’s been heading with them face to face and coming out of the US. And Fox News. Definitely all of that. It had sort of a two edges. So in one side, he got publicity, multimedia, he can be a billionaire out of this. But the other side dishes the mainstream medicine and wow how they scrutinize them and pull his licenses and things like that. Just crazy.
Bill Clearfield 1:58:15
Yeah, you know what? He’s very reasonable. You know, we have two lectures actually on our website, and he’s been on our Tuesday night. He was back in February, and he was at our own conference last year in Las Vegas and we have that recorded also. And you know, he they make them out to being as wild haired, you know, bomb throwing maniac and he’s not he’s actually very reasonable. And he you know, his reasons are very, you know, are very well documented. So, but so,
1:58:46
next year off him did they pull the earth are you put it on YouTube?
Bill Clearfield 1:58:49
It’s, it ended up on YouTube accidentally and they pulled it off, but so we put it on Vimeo and it’s on our website. I put it here. I always err D backwards. We
1:58:58
put it on Vimeo. They pull it out. I did it for YouTube for him and they pull it out. They pull out one of my new YouTube too. Right and but they returned they reversed the whole thing after two weeks. And
Bill Clearfield 1:59:10
I wasn’t going to argue with I didn’t even know what God wanted me to do that are on YouTube. That was our web lady did that. I actually told her not to do that but it ended up there anyway, so I I got it. I got a stern warning. From the YouTube people. So so it’s on our website, aos rd.org/webinars, just open up the left and it was it was February 21 of 2023. And then march 25 of 2022. There’s two different lectures from from Dr. Mercola. In fact, all of our lectures, all of our webinars, including this one, are on the AOS, er d.org webinars, and we usually get a transcript with it. Sometimes Sometimes we get slides if they’re slides, but Dr. Stone was able to pontificate without slim slides, which is something I can’t do which is pretty good. Actually. So anybody else have any comments or questions? It’s getting late back East. Those of you anybody anybody’s headed to you know, this is conference weekend. I know Dr. losses and I think in Houston, I’m In Miami at the AMG conference. If you’re coming if you’re going to be there, you know, make yourself known. I’m doing two lectures on Thursday. They gave me 45 minutes to do cortisol and thyroid. In 45 minutes. I got it down to 55 You know, just the basics, but, and they’re pretty strict about time. And then in the afternoon, I’m doing a case history. And then on Saturday, I’m doing the weight loss one that we did here. And so you’ve already heard it, and I’m also the moderator on Saturday afternoon, so I’ll be able to tell some of my stories because 45 minutes to do thyroid and cortisol doesn’t leave me much time for you to tell stories. So we got lots of thank yous. Lots of Pat’s on the back Dr. Stone that this was great. And you did a great job. I know you were a little bit worried. We told I told you we only bite the speakers on Thursday nights. We don’t do that on Tuesdays. And please, thank you for being part of our group. Bring a friend I always ask everybody bring one friend so we can, you know double or double our census. And next week we have Dr. David Weiss, who I think is a podiatrist. And he’ll be he’ll be here. He does some integrative and some some some unique things. And also, if anybody has anything to do that they’d like to present please let me know. So we have Dr. David Weiss. Our own pink rally will be May 9. And David Kahn who does a p it p e m a PMF. Is that that? And John Casey it was on May 23. And I finally got Carolyn Megan who does the frequency stimulated frequency specific microcurrent for May 30, and we’re going to be talking about Ehlers Danlos Syndrome on that night. So if you know anybody who’s got that like our PA here as that you know that should be interesting. So so that’s what we have coming up we’ll be here again next week. Same time, same station. Again, Dr. Colossal I know you’re you’re still on I know you’re in Houston this weekend. I think it’s Houston, or doubt might be Dallas, and we’re in Miami. And again if you’re around let us know. And with that, I’m gonna say goodnight. Thank you everybody for being here. Thank you for those of you all are regulars. We had a couple of new people tonight which was great. And please send you know, let folks know if you have anybody let send me their email addresses if they’re if they’re willing, and we’ll send them our notices. And the, you know, the last few weeks when we’ve had people that have vendors, they’re there. They’re offering discounts when they’re when they’re, you know, I put it in the in the weekly flyer so the glutathione discount Dr. Watts his group has a extensive line of supplements and the discounts for us. Okay, so you get in touch with Jackie Goulding goodling that her numbers on on in the email, and she’ll get you a pretty good discount on lots of stuff. So we’re trying to you know, expand ourselves a little bit and, and hopefully, you know, some of our folks will make some money. I hope it’s not too difficult because I don’t really know how to get into the I’ve had a couple people tell me they can’t get into the into the lecture, because we have the signup form now which is new and that gives us a as an email address for all the participants. If you don’t want your name out, just let me know and I’ll take it out before if we’re going to send it so tonight there’s there isn’t any good. So like last week, we had the Biogenics people so we sent them emails, I don’t know if anybody got in touch with anybody. But but if you don’t want that, please let me know. We don’t want you to go away because of that. So with that, thank you again Dr. Stone. It was great. He did a fabulous job. And please don’t be a stranger and please come back and we’re gonna we’re gonna lean on you again. You’re not right away, but count on it sometime this year. Okay. All right. All right. Thank everybody else. Thank you so much. We’ll see you again next week. Same time, same station. John, are you still there? Everything’s beautiful. Great lecture. Thank you, Dr. Stone. Welcome. John, how’s this? How’s it medical school coming along?
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And the schools doing beautifully? I think you might be surprised how much they have in common with our group.
Bill Clearfield 2:05:01
Okay, well, so
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they’re gonna they’re gonna be leaning on you in a bit. So get ready for it.
Bill Clearfield 2:05:08
I’m ready. You know, you know me, I’m a rock, so. Okay. All right, everybody. Good night. And we’ll see you again next week.
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And I think you never know how to get out of this thing.