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SPEAKERS
Bill Clearfield
00:06
See me There we go. Again join with the Yeah, video.
Bill Clearfield 00:33
Alright, there you go
00:38
that’s been live stream and now I got I’m not sure about the usually I do no audio so I don’t interfere with you. So I might have to go in the other room where you want to try it and see what happens. We’ll see
Bill Clearfield 00:53
what happens so, so So mechanized next Joe Hi do you have to send him to another room if the Senate to first supper?
01:23
Hi Marie What do you do for bowler? It’s halfway rotted out.
Bill Clearfield 01:43
Take a pliers
01:45
yeah that yesterday I wouldn’t have done I would have walked in and just said that pains way down today but yesterday was bad enough yank it man. Hey, anyway, hey, here’s what happened is when I got the COVID didn’t loosen my T that we can outrun for that underlying gum infection thing to take over anyway. No tooth pain until the COVID and they all got weak and looser and immunocompromised. Okay. Now the COVID trick nobody talks about gum. Anybody out there talking about gums and teeth with COVID? Yeah, we’re
Bill Clearfield 02:33
gonna have that at our conference.
02:40
From a dentist
Bill Clearfield 02:43
we have anyway let me share the screen. And
02:52
a bit Chris has a lot of stuff Hauser has a lot of stuff to say. Hi, Brian. Hey, John. How’s it going, buddy? Man, I’m just so happy to see everybody.
Bill Clearfield 03:08
Kind of getting happy to see you too.
03:10
Yeah. So it’s kind of nice to be back on your feet from code from COVID You know? Interesting 131 130. On
Bill Clearfield 03:22
Saturday, we have Dr. Tom lead. He’s got a book about oral infections. Concerning heart attacks, breast cancers and COVID
03:34
Well daggone it That sounds great.
Bill Clearfield 03:36
Okay, what you’re all looking at now this is the schedule that we have. For now. Well, less doctor. Calling Ty has dropped out. Shoot from Lisa. Dr. Pauling tie for he’s from Detroit. This one here? Remember that? They said they were going to give us
04:02
more money.
Bill Clearfield 04:04
Yeah, well, they’re not. They dropped out. Totally. I get nothing. So okay, so I got a couple of other and I got a couple of announcements. As you can see we have quite a nice lineup here. I have to leave it open a little bit loose on Saturday. We still don’t have a direct time Dr. McCullough is coming. He’s going to fly in and fly out. So we have to sort of leave it leave it a little bit loose for him, so we might have to do a little bit of scrambling. So So other than that, we’re coming along. We have a couple of new sponsors have signed up. We’ve been had a little bit of a delay. We’re trying to redo our how we take money and so we’ll be we’ll be this week. We’ll be sending out flyers here. We have to we have a new website going up in a minute now. And so, and Dr. Cruz is here. So anybody have any questions about the conference? Anybody have any any questions or recommendations for future speakers for Tuesday night it the conference will be live and virtual. So we’ll be able to, you know, if you’re hesitant to travel, we’ll be able to accommodate you that way. So it’s almost five o’clock I have a bit of an announcement. is a bit personal. I’ve written a 707 classes 10 hour video course on Introduction to bio identical hormones, which has been accepted by the ACC me and AOA for 10 Cme category 118 credits. So, you want to learn everything you need to know about bioidentical hormones you can actually get credit for. Thanks, Bill. All right. Okay, so I’ll send out something in the next little bit. They’re a little funny as far as they have all sorts of crazy little, little idiosyncratic rules. So I had to wait a little bit on that, but I got the word today I got the word today that I were good to go. So if you’re interested in bioidentical hormones, let me know I’ll be sending out flyers and stuff but 10 category one CME one a credits AMA and AOA. So it’s quite quite a quite a feat. I think. So.
07:15
Where to go? Well,
Bill Clearfield 07:16
thank you. I couldn’t have done it without you, John. Yeah. We got a message from Dr. Zara that she’s going to be quiet tonight because she’s not feeling well. So that’s, you know, we usually need her input so but we’ll we will hear you in spirit. Okay, so tonight, we are going to have Joel Peterson those of you been to our conferences and you know, he’s he’s my right hand man. And, you know, Joe’s passion is suicide prevention. He’s spoken in our conferences the last couple of years. That’s one of the requirements that you need every week hours every four years for licensing out in in definitely in Nevada, I think in Arizona and also it’s California. Joe’s an extremely passionate speaker. And those of you have heard him before know that you know, when he talks about his subject is usually that you don’t hear a pin drop. He’s, he’s quite knowledgeable about it. He he is quite active at the VA. And he goes out on suicide prevention runs. I’m going to let him take over from here. And if anybody has any, any questions or problems, I’m going to mute everybody else out. And before we begin, if anybody has any questions or anything, let me know. And thank you all for joining us tonight. And Joel, take it away.
09:08
Thank you very much. Can you hear me? hear you fine. Excellent. I just wanted to say thank you for the opportunity to speak in front of what I consider a lot of my heroes. And I say that knowing that doctors are number one worldwide, of any profession and killing themselves. And I say succumb to suicide. I don’t say commit suicide because I believe it’s sickness. I believe it’s physical. I don’t believe it’s mental. And a lot of you don’t know me, and of my story. And I’d like a lot of you to get to know me. And I’d like your support as I create a company that will change the perception and the belief of suicidal ideation. Depression and in essence, anxiety as mental illnesses. Working with Dr. Clearfield now for six plus years, and him drilling me on labs and going over labs with certain patients. I’ve come to realize in my understanding of what’s going on physically that this is physical. So the first three years of my life, I was extremely sick, and neighbors and family had to donate blood to keep me alive. Four and a half years old Kaiser Permanente put me on Ritalin by five I was put on silent. So needless to say. So needless to say, I don’t remember my youth. And I was raised at the age of three by a stepfather who I just recently lost this last month. And he did beat me at times. He was an extremely strong man. And a lot of us have dealt with traumas in our youth. Okay. So I was put on this Rattlin and by 12 My mother took me off the reel and because she said I wasn’t disabled no more she didn’t like it. And the next few years was wild, to say the least. And I was in trouble quite a bit. By 17 I joined the United States Marine Corps. And for the next four years, I was in the Marines, and let me back up when we were in junior high in high school. We used to do head butt competitions, competitions. We would literally head butt each other I kid you not. And you would try to see who can get the best sound. The best pot it was crazy now that I think about it. And due to my size, I got up to 252 pounds. And this is relevant to the story down the line. In high school, I was one of the big students and I provided security for some of the teachers and I provided security for some of the security. There are High School in Sacramento, California. So after joining the Marine Corps, I got out did basic Marine Corps stuff. I was a heavy machine gunner, but I became a driver with the Humvees and we had a lot of fights. And I actually have a forehead injury and we I don’t remember how it happened because I was drunk. We believe I fell flat on my face and the next morning I woke up and I had black gloves on and it filled my head shut. I was fortunate blood was all over the place. So 24 years later 2014 comes around in my thumb’s get numb. So I started going to the VA and asking for help. Now if you remember, Arizona had those 40 deaths at the VA. This was when they were having communication problems. And they were changing over their communication protocol protocols and processes. So by the time 2015 rolls around, I’m having an awfully hard time with the VA. And they were saying that me coming to them over my sickness as I’m losing a lot of weight. They were saying I need to eat more. It’s in my head and you need to quit stressing.
14:10
And my hormones were barely above the level of acceptability. And at that time, I didn’t know about hormones at all. So the next few months, I started getting incredibly sick and I got down to 135 pounds. And I’d have to sit there and hold my head up. Sometimes with both hands because I was now getting down to about 130 537 pounds. And he got so bad that my mom decided to move in with me and help feed me and help cook. I was on two canes by now and I was definitely dying. I believe I was drinking some poisonous water and I was sleeping under a bad telephone pole that was really close to my area. So I believe I’m sensitive to electromagnetic frequencies. It plus I was exposed to golf where or what we believe is golf for illness. I was not in the golf for but I was cleaning the gear. So my nephew got me onto a phone and got me into Gmail and online to start studying what was going on and try to figure things out and I got to some cancer Facebook pages. And Judy Mike ovitz was on and off in the news because we’re here in Reno, Nevada. That’s where I live right now. And that got me to Whole Foods, started eating some better foods and one of the people at Whole Foods, they were seeing me there a lot because I was petrified. I was I was afraid to die. Mom would shop there with me. And they finally told me you got to break away from the VA or you’re just gonna die. Because I was awfully thin. I was emaciated. And they gave me this magazine called Healthy Beginnings. And in the back of it you have your acupuncturist, your chiropractors, your natural pass your homeopaths, your Reiki Instructure instructors and energy healers and a lot of the hospital people, quite a few of them. Look at that as your your quacks you know, as one doctor called Dr. Clearfield Shaman. And a lot of that’s not accepted. But I saw Dr. Clearfield he was a do some people recommended I get to do because I can figure out what’s going on. And so I looked him up online and it said he was VA certified with the Veterans Hospital. And neither one of us know how that got there. But it was there. So I still as a Marine, wanted to trust my country wanted to trust the VA. It’s all I knew. And so I went to Dr Clearfield because that was on there. And then when I got here, there was another veteran that was already here that told me to trust him. And he did labs on me and found out my testosterone was extremely low and my estrogen was extremely high. And I had no hair and by now the VA had diagnosed me with like a Destry dive to dystrophy discoid lupus and amongst the mood disorder secondary to general condition and other stuff that I was already dealing with. So Dr. Clearfield gave me my first hormone shot. And that was at the beginning of 2016. And then he started acupuncture on me twice a week, because I was having problems breathing. And I remember when I was sick I had to count sheep to keep on rhythm of breathing. Because I just didn’t narrow the neurology was off so bad. And I was so sick. So I’m breaking away from the VA now. And I went to an eye appointment and I got to a off site VA is that okay, there we go. So I got muted, so I am I bet any leather saw this Vietnam veteran there. And he explained to me that they had a leather program at the VA hospital, it’s recreational therapy. And so I started doing therapy at the VA. And I almost didn’t go back. I was really mad at the VA. I almost died there.
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But the vets welcomed me back in and carry Fritz the recreational therapist said I didn’t have to get a console from my primary care doctor. Otherwise I wouldn’t have done it. So I started doing some leather. And I found out about Dr. Tina drag Coolidge who’s a Goldstar mom she lost her son in combat. And I started volunteering with her and it was the first time I got out of the house per se besides the hospital and 24 years. So as I’m starting to volunteer for her with what we call the Combat Paper program, we make paper out of combat uniforms, the old fashioned way. I started Vall asked Dr. Clearfield if I could volunteer for him. And he said yes. And little did I know that that would lead into what is happening now. He let me go to a Noma conference now that osteopathic medical association here at the northern Nevada Medical Hospital, and Dr. John Donaldson was speaking at that conference on suicide and I remember doc leaning over, say, See, he’s talking about pills. He’s not talking about hormones. And that impressed me about Dr. Clearfield still being interested in solving this and working on this. What he perceived in believes is the right way. And when I left that conference, I asked doc, why didn’t I kill myself? I was so sick for so many months. You know, I wanted to know why I didn’t kill myself.
21:00
And that led me into volunteering at the VA and working in volunteer with Doc and I started to find interest in this medical field.
21:15
And then he started to teach me about the Rockefellers, the Rothschilds and how they took over medicine and what they started to do and some of the corruption and that whole process. I had no idea. And so I started to learn about the 14 out of 21 veterans who are killing themselves every day in America. Were going to the VA. So we technically didn’t even know where they were. And we believe 60 to 70% of these veterans who killed themselves every day, for 20 years now. It’s every day it’s still going on. They’re not combat. That’s what freaked me out per se. I couldn’t understand why. Why are all these non combat veterans killing themselves? These are the strongest men and women. We have per se in America and I know many of them that started out extremely strong when they get out there per se broken. So as I’m working at the VA, I started to go to the VA and just volunteer without being an actual volunteer. And I started showing up and helping people and helping vet saying hey, do you know about, you know, osteopathic medicine, because even some of the employees at the VA who are veterans, they were sick, too. They were having problems. So I did my best to get some of them to Dr Clearfield because I believed in his medicine. And this is when I started to wonder why and what the difference was between allopathic medicine and osteopathic Pattie osteopathic medicine and I realized they are pushing the pills. And then I also started to study. After learning with Judy, Mike ovitz and her book the play. I started to realize that there was some similarities there with the anthrax vaccine. And the anthrax vaccine was developed for D church and they started on veterans in the 70s. Okay, I had actually gotten a letter from the military that I was experimented on with the anthrax vaccine in the late 80s. I find it awfully ironic that the early 70s They started this anthrax process so I told Dr. Clearfield I was getting pretty popular to VA and I knew the director. And now even some of the doctors were talking to me about the problems at the VA and they were coming up and they trusted me. And I came to Doc and I was like man these guys, they’re telling me what’s going on with the director and what she’s doing wrong and you know how to handle this. And he said, quote, don’t be a politician. Never forget that. Don’t be a politician. Go in there and fix it. Solve it. And that’s where solutions on suicide, solving suicide came to play. I see things from a guerrilla warfare standpoint, from a marine standpoint, from a traumatic patient standpoint. From a patient standpoint, not from a medical student, not from a doctor standpoint, from a quote unquote, psychiatrist or psychologist standpoint and I left that day pretty blown away. It really wants me to solve suicide. And then I started questioning why no one thinks you can solve it. So I started to see what I think is wrong with the suicide process. Right now. And that led me down listening to these conferences that you guys all speak at. And I started to realize that we’re just now learning about the enteric nervous system, the gut, and the heart. And then I was studying Joe Dispenza. Great brain and doing massive amounts of studying. I realized and it hit me pretty hard. Because I experienced suicide ideation myself for a long time. I thought it was normal. I thought all of us thought about it. Especially when I was sick. But I believe if you kill yourself, you got to come back and do it all over again. And you may be in a worse situation than you are now. There’s no way I was gonna do that, because I had a pretty, a really hard life. So with Dr. Clearfield worked on me it was if the ADD and the PTSD and my symptoms from traumatic brain injury subsided.
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I still would have incidences, I still would want to sit with focus towards the door or being able to escape. I still would get a little sensitive around crowds. It’s still a little difficult, but it was stabilized. So for the first time in my life, I’m like, stabilized and it was absolutely mind blowing. So I’m like, well if it can work for me, how can this isn’t working for others? Now without getting into the politics and conspiracies? Because a lot of them we know aren’t theories no more. Big Pharma is heavily influenced pills, vaccines, big agriculture. And Dr. Thomas Callen has a saying that he believes there’s only four ways you can get sick. accident or injury nutritional excess or nutritional deficiency poisons toxins and chemicals and electromagnetic frequencies and our electromagnetic radiation. And this is when I started to put two and two together with all these veterans that are coming back from war, not combat. And they’re coming back super sick. I work with a lot of and that’s when I started to go okay. What’s the similarities? Well, they’re all eating the same foods. They’re all be given the same pills. They’re all getting the same vaccines. But yet, the United States government came up with the term post traumatic stress disorder. So you, the patient are stressed out. You the patient has the problem. Rather than asking what’s causing the Depression, when I ask people what causes suicidal ideation 95% of them say depression. Okay, well, what causes depression?
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What do you mean? It’s a mental disorder? I believe bad food causes depression. I believe certain traumatic brain injuries causes depression I believe lack of nutrition and supplements in the proper ratios, causes depression.
28:54
And experiencing this myself, I learned that the body compensates in a beautiful way. So as you’re getting sick family members and friends might start to notice it, but you’re adjusting and you’re adapting to your sickness and the body’s doing the best it can to repair itself or fix itself. And as Dr. Bahari beautifully said, he believed and I never heard this that auto immune in essence was the lack of something in the body or too much of something rather than the body attacking itself. It’s lacking something or it’s has x excessive something and so I really got involved with the supplements with Dr. Clearfield as you can see behind me. This is my little small office here where I come and I listened to Doc and I listened to the nurses and some of the patients talk about certain situations and what’s going through and going through the art process. Go through the supplemental process going through organic food process, stopping all vaccines, I stopped all of them even the flu, and I very rarely get sick and I got back to God and I get involved and I have a mission. And it says if I’m experiencing post traumatic growth and I can’t tell you guys how important a lot of these classes are with you guys. And how I understand a lot of what you’re saying but I don’t understand the words. And I don’t understand the subjects. And it’s it’s it’s hard, but it’s doable, but in a weird way I understand from a patient standpoint and an advocate standpoint. And so I started to follow Dr. Pamela libeled and Dr. Pamela libeled has gotten into Dr. Suicide and I just recently purchased the movie do no harm. And I also purchased the license and the rights so that I can get that in our group. And I’ll do my best to include it. I’m sorry I’m not good with slides and technical issues. But we believe doctors are killing themselves at a great roughly around anywhere from 35 to 40 per 100,000 veterans are roughly around 30 per 100,000 and civilians are around 14 per 100,000. And there are some countries around the world that have 0.5 Less than one person per 100,000. So my next endeavor is to study why some of these countries besides philosophical beliefs or religious beliefs, why are some of these countries not killing themselves like others are in one of the highest countries Guyana, I believe they’re killing themselves at 30 per 100,000. Now, I’m gonna read some facts and figures from the Do No Harm failed by Robin Simone and it because I was able to get the education or discussion guide. Right now suicide accounts for 26% of deaths among physicians aged 25 to 39 as compared to 11% of us out there in the civilian world. One recent study found that only half of depressed interns obtained mental health services. Now imagine if instead of obtaining mental health services, we were doing studies and checking their hormones and checking their family situations and checking their spiritual situations, checking their mold or their their food situations at home. what chemicals are they putting on their bodies?
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That’s from the burnout and suicidal ideation among us medical students study admissions to teaching hospitals increased by 50% in 1990 to 2010 but the number of doctors and training only increased by 10%. This is the resident workload let’s treat the disease not just a symptom, comment on effect of the 2011 vs 2003 duty our regulation compliant models on sleep duration, training, education and continuty patient care among Internal Medicine House staff by Laura Boynton, MD Kenneth im Lou Meyer, MD. From the Journal of American Medical Association. 45.8% of physicians reported experiencing at least one symptom of burnout in 2015. In the Medscape physician lifestyle report. 46% of all physicians responded that they had burnout, which is a substantial increase since 2013. Lifestyle report in which burnout was reported in slightly under 40% of respondents. Among internist and family physicians who responded to the Medscape survey burnout rates rose from 43 to 50%. In two years, the source is prevention. Preventing physician suicide the role of family colleagues and organized medicine. Then there was a study of more than 4000 medical students at seven schools found that half of all students experienced burnout while in medical school, approximately one of every nine students reported having suicidal thoughts while in school. So once again, imagine if we started looking at this differently and we start to test students for their hormones. We start to look at this physically, not mentally. It could change the dynamics of the entire program. Male physicians have a 70% higher suicide rate than males in other professions. This blew me away. female physicians diet suicide at a 400% higher rate than females in any other profession. That’s just mind blowing. among physicians risk for suicide increases when mental health conditions go on address. And self medication occurs as a way to address anxiety, insomnia, and other distressing symptoms. Although self medicating mainly with prescription medications may reduce some symptoms, the underlying health problem is not effectively treated. So this can lead to a tragic outcome source the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention. It’s very rare that you hear a suicide prevention I don’t even like the term prevention I don’t like to turn awareness. I want to solve this. I want to end this. I want to fix this. And I know we’re not supposed to say cure this, but we have to adjust our thought process and believe that this is fixable when you look at suicide as a cancer. I believe there’s hope, because that’s what I believe it is. I believe it’s a physical sickness between the gut and the heart and the gut and the heart, communicate to the brain. It’s not the other way around. If you think you’re going to go to McDonald’s, and you’re going to watch Fox News or MSNBC news all night. Long, and then meditate your way into health. It’s not going to happen. It’s just not going to happen. Doctors commit suicide at a rate more than twice the national average.
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So I know how hard you guys work. I watched Dr. Clearfield go through some serious stuff. And I know what you guys are going through but he taught me a lesson early on about dancing.
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He’s like you got to get out there. And he was talking to me. He didn’t want me to do this. He’s like you got to get out there and dance. You got to get out there do something. You got to have a hobby. Go to church. Go to a veteran group go to an organization. How many doctors isolate and then how many doctors start getting sick and you deal with your own cells. And you quote unquote medicate yourselves
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it’s not a good situation to be in. So when you start to see this as physical you start to realize that it can be I believe, corrected by labs. I don’t know too many healthy people who killed themselves. I just don’t.
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There’s usually an underlying physical sickness and hormones can go awry for what I call micro abrasions. So in traumatic brain injury, you have macro abrasions, and micro abrasions. So imagine someone holds a gun to your head and it’s a revolver. And you saw five bullets in the chamber. So you know there’s bullets in there and they pull the trigger. By the grace of God the bullet doesn’t go off. It’s a dud. It’s a misfire, but you heard it or felt it. That’s what we believe is quote unquote, PTSD. What you see or what you felt, even though it may have not happened Dr. Mark L. Gordon believes that’s a micro abrasion and a lot of these vets law enforcement, you doctors may be experiencing micro abrasions they’re very hard to find on X rays macro abrasions, or the head injuries or the explosions that are what we call Danger Close. Danger Close could be 100 yards off with a very large bomb and bam you get hit and it rocks you and then you’ve got the people that are far away that just get a little bit of a vibration or they get the dust or they get the poisons or they get the toxins. So one of the hardest things to do when you have pride and you’re in law enforcement, military in the medical profession, is to ask for help. If we take you lessly hard and as this gentleman says Richard Gunderman. He was a he’s a reporter. And I believe he lost his wife to suicide. He said medicine is not a job. It is not even a career. At its heart. Medicine is a calling. When it comes to physician burnout, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. We must begin early in medical education to help medical students and residents explore and connect with a sense of calling to the profession. Even late in their careers, physicians need to recall that they are summoned to something older, larger and nobler than themselves. They must never forget that a career in medicine represents one of life’s greatest opportunities to become fully human through service to others. And I recently just had a coach question me on what I’m doing because I haven’t reached out to her because I just lost my stepfather who raised me in the last month. And then when I was at a business conference, my biological father who was watching my dog, my 16 year old Border Collie. He got caught by the security cameras kicking in me and my dog, which I didn’t know he was doing. He’s dealing with dementia. And I just recently put down this 16 year old Border Collie here at the Clearfield Medical Group. Therapy buddy here because he’s become our our mascot. And this coach of mine, she’s like a jewel. It’s okay. To use your own tools on yourself. Boom. I never thought about that. You get tunnel vision. Like one of those doctors and do no harm said. You just go to work. You go to work. You go to work, you go to work, you go to work. Can you stay stuck at work? And you just don’t go walk around, smell the roses and talk to someone. You know, go to the preacher and say hey, you know I just boom boom, boom, boom, boom, just in one month. And so solutions on suicide to me are physical in nature. And I think if we could remember that and come up with physical means to adjust in or track our hormones to track our home situation, phone sway the energy to monitor or Wi Fi. I now turn my Wi Fi off at night and I turn my Bluetooth off at night. And I used to wear an Apple watch because I wanted to monitor my heart, my sleeping situation. And then I put on an iPhone
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and three nights in a row after I put on the Apple Watch. I started getting those heart palpitations. And I couldn’t sleep and it was like I couldn’t breathe again. And it was like oh God, here we go. It’s coming again. It’s coming again. And so what I would do is I’d wake up and I’d take a shower, and then I be in the shower, and I can’t breathe and it’s just like Ha it’s just like here it is again. Well, I didn’t realize it at the time. But I was taken off the iPad and taken off the Apple Watch so I could take a shower. And I’d leave him off and I’d be able to go back to sleep. And it was just three days and three days later I was like oh really could it be in the next night I left both of them off and boom, that’s when I started to believe Oh, there’s a little something more electromagnetic frequencies in radiation than what I thought. Next is spirituality. Or community. It’s huge. This is in essence of mission. Do No Harm talks about these new students that are coming up the medical students the new doctors, especially with COVID Especially with corruption especially with special interest. And let’s be honest, trillions of dollars involved. You guys are on the front lines. So as military we’re on the frontlines to and ironically we’re all being censored.
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All of us even the active duty military. So I have a saying that I advocate for military veterans first, second and third responders.
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And the Japanese were the ones that started to study the third response. They believe that’s where we kill ourselves. Second responses the doctors and nurses third response, in essence would be FEMA or Red Cross or the art. Ashby You are bleeding and the first responders picked you up, got to the second response at the hospital. Now the third response is what they call the emotional response. Now what do I do? This is where people freak out. And could it be because the hormones went awry during this traumatic experience. That’s what I think it is. In a lot of these veterans were coming back from war and they were living alone. A lot of them and they were eat at the restaurants you know you just go eat and McDonald’s you go eat at restaurants and so you’re eating crap food. And now you’re not sleeping too well. And now you’re drinking coffee and you’re drinking sodas and you’re drinking crap and you your body starts to compensate. So I think it’s physical. I don’t think it’s mental. And I plan on studying the enteric nervous system in relationship to the gut and given with Dr. John Burgess for the March conference, and seeing what we can come up with. And I also plan on starting an LLC that can respond to first, second and third responders and active duty military and veterans and come up with some type of a system where we monitor ourselves we don’t trust no one but ourselves. And we don’t trust no one but our brothers and our sisters in the military. It’s huge but even then we don’t reach out safely would die doctors. How many of you out there might be sad or lonely or just absolutely disgusted or pissed off with what’s going on? Where we all reach out to each other. It’s crazy. If anything that’s where the mental comes into play. I’m not downplaying psychology or psychiatry. I believe that is for immediate, traumatic experiences when the trauma happens, per se the first stage first response that’s usually in combat. That’s usually in war. That’s usually when the trauma happened but it’s never really followed up. And right now I believe our country is in dire need of friendship. Hugs. group outings. I know some of you might not agree with that because of social distancing. But I believe in herd immunity, and I believe in God. And I believe in proper hormones and I believe in good food. And I believe in community. And I believe in exercise. And I believe in our mission. And I believe in supplements as you can see behind me. They do wonders I believe in mushrooms. I do coffee every morning with ghee, butter, and coconut oil and mushrooms. Cylon cinnamon cocoa matcha ashwagandha I do a lot of the homeopathic what I believe is homeopathic processes to keep me stabilized. And I believe it’s keeping my discoid lupus per se at bay. And I eat a lot of fat. I eat avocados I eat nuts. Coconut oil. I don’t eat a lot of dairy. I don’t eat a lot of me.
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But I eat some So in essence, I’m asking you guys for support. I started to call myself a professional patient because a coach said that’s what I sounded like
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and 50% of the people hate that term. And 50% of people laugh at it and love it. And we’re all supposed to be patients. We’re supposed to go every three to six months. That includes doctors. That includes you guys
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so make sure you do your organic food do your hobbies get out there? Get involved in the community. Go to a church that you might like even if you do the Church Online. You don’t have to go somewhere. It’s better I believe, but even doing it online through the Zooms have your hormones checked. And I know it’s easy for me to say a lot of you guys know that. And it’s easy for me to assume that but that can be a dangerous situation for me to assume that the same thing with veterans. The same thing with military, law enforcement, dispatchers, social workers, teachers, preachers, pastors, counselors, caretakers, we’re all taking up the burden of Big Pharma right now and we know it and you guys are absolutely maxed out. I’ve watched Dr. Clearfield deal with Big Pharma deal with supply issues and this is before the supply issues happened. I’ve watched how insurance and government regulates and controls certain supplements and medications. And they make things absolutely almost impossible for you guys.
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So Pamela libeled and many are doing their best to take this on.
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And get you guys back to your Hippocratic Oath of do no harm. But we got to stop doing harm to ourselves
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and I have a lot of numbers on this educational guide what we call resources. With the National Suicide Hotline, National Alliance on Mental Illness, the Institute for Healthcare Improvement, the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention, breaking the culture of silence on physician suicide, creating a safety net, preventing physician suicide, reducing the stigma. Faculty speak out about suicide rates among medical students and physicians preventing suicide in physicians residents and medical students. Collateral damage the impact of patient suicide on the physician and an interactive screening type program that’s available for a lot of us so that you guys can use this even with your patients. And it’s one of the beautiful things about Dr. Clearfield. He spends a lot of time with each patient. And he asked him those personal questions. How you doing at home? How’s your sex life? Do you go out? Do you have an air filter? Do you have a water filter? Do you open the windows? How do you asleep? Do you have any friends? Do you have any hobbies? What do you do? Boom. Be surprised people don’t do much and I was one of them. And now I do a lot of research. And I get stuck on this research. And I can do three for six hours straight. And every now and then doc will say hey go take a walk. You know get out of the house. Go do something. Go see your nephew. Go visit some family used to play with my dog and now work on getting another one again.
54:28
Pets are amazing Okay
Bill Clearfield 54:40
Joe can you give us some some tips or some things to listen for? Somebody comes in and you know they have this on their mind. What are some what are some like keys that are that we should you know the pair couriers up?
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Just when I was asking about all those questions I think you have to almost do what the Israel know that they do in Israel. They profile
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me on my ally I don’t want to watch
Bill Clearfield 55:35
Dr. Fielding. Thank you. Okay, good.
55:38
They they profile. So in essence, you’re going to have to profile your patient and you’re going to have to ask them these questions about their whole friends what it’s been like and it’s absolutely okay to say and ask have you thought about suicide? Do you think about it? Has it come across your mind? Part of being assist. Certified which means I can assist law enforcement to talk someone down is they’ve taught us it’s okay to ask them literally. Are you suicidal? But you got to profile them and nine times out of 10 They’re going to be depressed. To you might want to look at their arms. Literally look at their arms, see if they’re cutting themselves some people do I still believe that Labs is super important. high sugar count could show they’re drinking a lot have they had a traumatic experience? Like myself right now I lost a father. I have another father who hurt my dog. And then I lost my dog. So the psychiatrist I just went and had an evaluation from she was concerned. And she told me about the you know, areas around town that I can go but I talked to you and I talked to Karina and Christy and I keep my routines going. So if your patients don’t have those routines, there’s some way we got to figure that out
Bill Clearfield 57:48
so I personally I don’t you know I’m not all that comfortable with somebody in my office saying, I once had a young girl she was about 18 And she said she came in because she wanted to lose weight and somewhere along the line she said that she was thinking about killing herself. What do we do then? was almost out of the blue. What’s that? What’s the is there a protocol?
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There by law? I believe you’re supposed to report it to be honest, the one 800 The national suicide helpline it’s not as difficult as what you think all doctors should have that number somewhere close. And you literally I think rather than reporting it, if you’re a doctor, and you call the suicide hotline, and you take care of her right then and there. They’ll talk with both of you. They’ll keep both of you on the line. They’ll go through the process. They’ll get her or him to help they need and usually they put you on the 72 hour hold. Some states have 96 hours so now 72 hours some have 24 hours just depends. But there are laws in certain states where you are required to report that for sure. Now if you’re talking to him as a doctor, and you ask them if they’ve had suicidal ideation, that’s different than them saying I want to kill myself. Or I’m suicidal. Like yeah, um, you know, um, I, I don’t want to date no more. I don’t want to go out of the house. No more. My husband’s doing this. Or just sad all the time. This is where you as a doctor, I believe, have to do labs and figure out their hormones. I still think it’s in the hormones. And I think it’s in the supplements. And I think it’s in the food. And you’re one of the best I’ve seen do this. So to come up with that type of protocol, I think is what we need more than looking at the mental per se. It’s, you can’t you got to go through like some pretty intense FBI type or Israel type classes to profile someone to know they’re suicidal, and even they have a hard time. Those are suicidal bombers. That’s a little different. So if we’re going to try to screen someone who’s suicidal, it’s almost impossible. It really is, unless you think of it physically. Unless you actually grab the arm and you touch if the patient allows you to touch them. Especially as an osteopath with manipulation. That’s energy flowing into the body. That’s saying hey, you know you’re not cut yourself or you know, I would do that. So right, there’s a response. So you can read that response. If they’re like. They just looked at themselves and they’re kind of like, well, you know, okay, well, what do you mean? Well? It’s, it’s, it’s a tough situation, Doc.
1:01:20
Hey, Joe. You had mentioned earlier about how military guys and doctors to have a tendency not to reach out okay. But I think this organization we have right here tonight is a perfect example of reaching out to do two things one to share what we might have discovered over a lifetime. And the other is can you please help us because I still don’t know a whole bunch so I think that’s what we’re doing it we’re reaching out to each other’s extremely honest organization. And I think that type of idea, that type of idea is going to expand, we’re going to share with each other so that’s what we’re doing.
1:02:04
Absolutely agree.
Bill Clearfield 1:02:06
I have this from the suicide prevention hotline. six questions to ask if you’re concerned about someone wishing to harm themselves. Question one have you wished you were dead or wished you would go to sleep and not wake up? In the past month? Yes or no? Number two, have you actually had any thoughts about killing yourself? If the answer is yes, to questions, two, then go 234 And five. Three is Have you thought about how you might do this work? Have you had any intention? of acting on these thoughts of killing yourself as opposed to you having thoughts, but you definitely would not act on them? The answer is yes on that one. That’s a high risk. Number five and you started to work and worked out the details of how to kill yourself. You intend on carrying out this plan? And number six, have you done anything started do anything or prepared to do anything to end your life, such as collecting pills obtaining a gun on giving away valuables? Writing a will or suicide note? held the gun but changed your mind? Any yes, the answer? The needs further care, and there’s a suicide prevention hotline or to emergency personnel. You can call 911 or I can put the the number phone number it’s an 800 number in the chat here. 800 Scott 38255 Crack that’s the line you can text it at 741741. So at least we have, you know some some resources and some questions. I unfortunately had a personal experience. I had a lady friend who had a lot of sort of questionable mental health grounding and about I didn’t recognize at the time, about a month before she took her life. She took out a life insurance policy. Then she made a will. And she started divesting your her jewelry and and her you know, sort of worldly goods. And she was a nurse anesthetists and she took drugs home from the operating room, and she was New Year’s Eve 2007. She injected herself and took her life. So I always think about that there. You know, there were there were early warning signs that I didn’t recognize. So we’re sort of I’m sort of acutely, you know, my ears perk up if someone you know says you know, any type of tendency towards that. So, um, any other anybody else? Have anything to add any other personal experiences? share anything this is not our usual topic, but it’s, you know, it’s important every once in a while to sort of step outside the the medical model and talk about some some of our own feelings and our own you know, personal things that have happened to us along the way.
1:05:47
I have a few comments. This is Dr. Toe. I was OB GYN so I had one patient that was suicidal who was a breast cancer survivor. And we decided to go ahead and give her estrogen and she had been to multiple psychiatrist nothing was helping and we gave her estrogen and she was functional. So just just just chalk one up for hormones there. Um, I saw lyme patients, and I gave IV modified Myers in the office and every lime and mold patient was told that if they felt suicidal please call in right away and we would see you you know, hopefully that day and if we couldn’t, we would definitely see the next morning before the you know, the office started. So I would give my modified Myers I gave it in in pieces. I didn’t give it in a long drip. So I gave it in a slow push. And I found that if you you know, the families would bring them in babbling sobbing they were unable to articulate but they could not Yeah, they you know, felt like killing themselves. And I would give them this modified Myers and they would stop babbling and stop sobbing and stop. Crying and I would ask them where did the where did this sensation go? Are you keeping it down? You know, are you pushing it down? And you feel it like in your chest or something? And they would say no, it’s gone. So that was vitamin C B complex smells will be 12 magnesium and glutathione. And I will tell you that I don’t think it was one thing and that for every single person. It was a little bit different. What was helping that was just my impression. And you Yeah, and I lost one line patient was no longer my patient but she did write me a 36 page letter before she before she committed suicide but we couldn’t find her. We call the police to go check on her but they couldn’t find her. And then we saw on the paper that she’d committed suicide. So that those are those are my experiences with suicidal ideation. Wow.
Bill Clearfield 1:08:40
So comment comments on first, the first one the hormone aspect. So estrogen drives blood flow to the brain so it would improve cognitive does improve cognition and sort of mental mental focus and mental capacity. I don’t usually recommend it without knowing you know the complete status but in a situation like that. I suppose there’s really probably nothing that that nothing to be lost. That’s number one. Number two, in the military, VA studies with from suicide. It appears that on low testosterone levels, play a culprit and over 40% of the suicide the completed suicides. So that’s also something something you know, to be cognizant of. Number three, Dr. Ortel, it’s always been my understanding that vitamin C would lice glutathione molecules. And so we give them I give them separately I do the Myers cocktail, and then the glutathione while afterwards fitness separate, separate sort
1:09:57
of each one of my ingredients was given separately
1:10:06
and I’ll I’ll find the I believe there’s a physician suicide hotline if I remember correctly. All Um, let me just look it up right now. Right. And these the first time I call a hotline I was scared. I you know you’ve got all these thoughts in your head of what they’re going to do or they’re going to send someone to you. It’s just not that easy to call up the suicide hotline and say, Hey, I got a patient who’s suicidal, can you send a cop to him? It doesn’t always work that way. It’s not that easy. And cops are overwhelmed, per se. And they don’t just fly on out to a house to go see this. Sometimes I’ll say no. So you and the suicide hotline have to deal with it. And they’re awesome at their job. They’ll chat with you. They’ll text with you. They’ll email with you. They’ll stay on the line as long as they have to. And there was some rumors out there that they were overwhelmed. And they were getting too many phone calls. So they opened up more centers around America. And Mary Elaine she also talked about the Catholic Catholic Association. A lot of the churches can help you and a lot of organizations around your town. You have your city, your county and your state organizations you have the suicide prevention clinics and suicide prevention 501 C threes throughout a lot of states now. So there’s a massive amount of help out there. There really is. Like you said, Doc, getting to that person and profiling that person to note to try to figure out you have you almost have to ask. It’s it’s super tough. It’s super tough.
1:12:12
And maybe so asking family members maybe maybe implementing some type of asking your patient. If, before they come in, the family can do a questionnaire. What does the family see? As a family noticed anything different that might be something new we could implement? I think people are looking for connection. But some of them that are in that deep, late stage, that they’re gonna kill themselves. And they’re doing all those processes. They’re sick. I still there. They’re physically sick. And that’s a hard spot to be in. That’s hard for us to find that out and get to.
1:13:07
Hi, John. This is really very, very timely and very good presentation. Thank you. This is Mary lane. I’ve taught nursing students and I’ve been a psych clinical director for many years. And what always surprises me is the amount the amount of kids and young girls that are cutters the family does know knows nothing about it. You know, or they think they’re going through a phase or what have you. I had a very close friend. I have a very close friend who lost their daughter to suicide five years ago. She was suffering from bipolar disorder disorder for many, many years and had been on a cadre of psychotropic medications and yet was functional and went back to school and got a master’s degree. But was you know, and very, very intelligent, extremely bright, but was trying to taper off some of the psychotropics and I think this is also a big area that you know, physicians don’t really have a handle on I was on a call the other day with a family, a 17 year old who was was trying to get off Effexor and so they lowered the dose of the Effexor. The psychiatrist lowered the dose of the Effexor from 150 to one 12.5 And within three weeks, she was psychotic. So you know, it’s a slippery slope. And really you have to know the biochemistry of what’s happening and and be disciplined when they’re not only changing medications, but watching dietary factors like you spoke of, because it’s a multifactorial situation. So it’s exercise and it’s diet, and it’s, you know, really that away, you know, I know you don’t like the word awareness, but teaching people to to really be able to articulate what’s happening within their body and, and to be able to describe it to the provider is extremely helpful. So I thank you for your talk. It was it’s really important.
1:15:29
Thank you very much. And I I agree with the awareness. Lately, I’ve been paying attention more when I talk to people and I take words more serious than I used to. But someone like that you guys have your plates full. You really do. And some of you are some of the best doctors I know in America and this has been going on for a long time. It’s a it’s an extremely difficult situation to tackle. And I’m honored to learn from you guys. And I eat a lot of chocolate. That’s how I deal with this. I’ll be honest, it’s a tough situation. But someone’s got to do it. And I’m going to keep looking ways to fix this.
1:16:38
Have you read Kelly brokens book? A mind of your own? No, I have not so Kelly Brogan is an American psychiatry. First that has been very open about big farmers contribution to mental health challenges and illnesses and I the book is out maybe five or six years but it’s a it’s a good read.
1:17:10
Thank you and I’m actually in her group. So I’ll look for that. Thank you. I’ve been following her for a while. I’ve been following quite a few of the what they call the disinformation doesn’t. I’ll be honest, I’ve been studying a lot of them. And I do my best to study what works. So thank you,
Bill Clearfield 1:17:34
Joe, can you can you walk us through your on your your turn on the on the hotline and the phone rings and I call up and I say my name is Ville and I want to I’m thinking about killing myself. What are the steps? What do you do? What’s that look like?
1:17:55
The first step is nine times out of 10 You’ve got to get a hold of the suicide hotline. So you’re going to have to talk to this person and say I understand. I’m here to listen. I don’t want you to do what you say you’re going to do. And can you please stay on the line with me and let’s talk about this. Let’s figure out why you want to kill yourself. And as you’re doing that you’re trying to text or call the hotline. And if you call the hotline. You turn your volume down and you leave the phone on and let them hear you and then you say okay, John McEnroe. I know you’re calling me from 775 digit to their to and so you’re giving them the number and the name by your number or you are in Missouri are you here in Reno, Nevada. And you start to question them and let them know per se not even per se let them know that you care and you want to help them in any way possible. That’s the start.
Bill Clearfield 1:19:16
Is there is there a privacy issue with that, you know, sort of clandestinely giving a third party their phone the person calling in phone number? Oh, I don’t know the answer to that. I’m
1:19:30
I don’t either. That’s a good.
Bill Clearfield 1:19:32
I don’t know if anybody else does.
1:19:34
That’s a good question. I’ll find that as we were taught in the Marine Corps. I don’t know that answer, but I will look into it and respond to you later. I don’t think so. i That’s a good question. Wow.
Bill Clearfield 1:19:51
No, it would seem not it would seem not but you know, you know the way things
1:19:57
are, if the person is presenting symptoms that they could be potentially a harm to themselves or others. You are that’s when you’re mandated. And so you’re you have that you know, you have that flexibility to relay that because of that.
1:20:18
I believe so especially as a doctor you so yeah, she’s right. Okay, and you can put the person on mute and talking to the phone real quick and let the suicide hotline, know what’s going on and they’ll walk you through it. If they have to. And they do have low suicide cards that can walk you through the Ask tell process. But each color is individually different and it depends on the level. It depends on all the intoxicated depends on what’s going on. And the longer you keep them on the line. The less they are to be impulsive. Most of us are very impulsive. So especially if we have a gun at hand, or you’ve already tied up a noose or you’re on top of a rough the longer you can keep them talking the better.
1:21:32
What concerns me is you know, my friend, his daughter went to Walmart and bought a gun and nowhere was asked, you know, a health a health history question of course, and within a half an hour drove back to her apartment. And her apartment complex was in the car outside and shot herself so right you know, that’s your right I think things can change on a dime. And we and part of the issue of suicide prevention hotline is to
1:22:04
talk people off that ledge.
1:22:06
Yeah
1:22:09
it’s in you know, I put myself in the position of what you just said. How could have we gotten to that lady like Dr. Clearfield said how could have he intervened and, you know, we’ve been trying to figure that out for 30 years. So I’m trying to do anything I can that’s different from what we’ve been doing for 30 years. It hasn’t worked. And right now the only thing I see is looking at it physically and medically. Getting those hormones checked getting those labs checked and reading those labs are more important. And you can’t save everybody. It’s a tough statement. This is where the community has to get involved. The government created the prevents panel and in essence, what that was was Suicidology between the community really getting the community involved. And now you’re talking about your counselors. You’re talking about your schools. It’s in the village. It takes a village. So it’s just super difficult. We it’s super difficult. And you know, we’re right here in Reno, Nevada. We’re 50th in the United States for mental health. So you can only imagine what we hear here in town and people like myself. It’s pretty brutal and we’re second in the country for the worst drivers. So you see it on the road. You see the road rage, it’s it’s a systemic sickness. And I know a lot of people working on it. But mostly everybody works on this mental aspect. And I think we need to go physical, physical faster. I think it’s huge. So I don’t think we should underplay being overweight or underweight. You know, minimize the sugar intake, minimize the alcohol, start slowing down. If you’re talking to your patient, tell him Hey, instead of doing six drinks, why don’t you do five? Why don’t you chart Why don’t you write them down? Why are you drinking? What’s what’s behind this drink? What’s going on? How can we get you to a group not just a drink in group but some other group what did you use to do when you were a kid? What did you like to do when you were a kid? What type of sport or hobby did you do? I’ve I’ve had a couple people that I woke them up per se. Like oh, I used to do this and I used to do or want to get back to that aren’t you try that. Those little things. It’s becoming there. A quick partner quick for it. It’s more powerful than what we think. And I know you guys know that. It’s just hard. But to have that suicide hotline available right away is important. There’s no doubt, especially as a doctor, he should have it somewhere in your office somewhere on your desk. Same thing with a physician hotline. You know you can be I heard Dr. Pamela Weibel mentioned that a lot of doctors, they go out of state to another shrink so that it’s not they don’t get caught per se your medical boards and so forth won’t find out who or what happened to you. So there’s ways around that and like Dr. Burgess said, anybody out here would just talk to any one of us. You know, you can reach out Dr. Claire fields available. Available. I’ll put my my email and my phone number in here now.
1:26:24
Since you brought up the issue of what you can do, how much you can do, where you lead people, one of the primary cya as with anything dealing with this issue is to number one first of all, give them the national hotline, the helpline that’s primary, that’s the first thing you do. If you’ve done that, and you’ve tried that, then you’re able to go through all the second, third and fourth doors. But as far as the government goes and rules and regs on this get them locked on do
1:27:01
so and I believe the hotline has more authority to call the law enforcement to come in and do a heart knock. So they say and then there’s people like myself that are assist, qualified, that are on a database, usually in your city or your state. And so the hotline knows those databases, and they can get a hold of people like us and call us right away and we can respond in relationship to the law enforcement.
Bill Clearfield 1:27:39
Okay, sorry, I sent it sent. This is the number for the National Suicide Hotline. The phone number text is 741741. It was always called 911. Correct. Couple of other comments just from Mary Mary Elaine’s a patient there so any of the medical doctors here have any experience with Effexor and getting patients off of it. It’s it’s worse than heroin. It’s worse than almost any narcotic. It’s almost impossible and you always have patients who go away for a weekend and they forget it. They’re on it. By Sunday, they’re calling they’re frantic, that they you know that they’re going through withdrawal. By the way, it’s it’s the recommended treatment number one recommended treatment by the American Academy of clinical endocrinologist for vasomotor. postmenopausal vasomotor symptoms ie hot flashes, number one is Beneful x and so in my experience, what we need to do is there one say 150 milligram doses you need to have a compound that at 10 milligram intervals anywhere from one week if they’ve been on it for less than three months to decreasing it by bi weekly. They’ve been wandering for less than three months. In more than three months. They don’t decrease a monthly 10 milligrams at a time. The the commercial doses are 37 and a half 75 and 150. And to go from 150 to 75 as usually it is a fairly severe reaction to withdrawal reactions, especially if they’ve been on it for more than three months. I tell my students if they ever prescribed strike that I will want them for the rest of their life to never ever prescribe that one. I don’t know if anybody else’s experience was is with that is similar. And if anybody has a comment on that one, of course if they come in and they’re on it, that’s a different story.
1:29:56
Okay, um I’m gonna go ahead and put in the number now. 1-888-409-0141 That’s a physician support line. Write that
Bill Clearfield 1:30:18
out. It didn’t pop up here. You must be one just one on a single I
1:30:23
haven’t said haven’t said that yet. Okay. I’ll type that fast. Oops,
Bill Clearfield 1:30:29
sorry. I get again I get anxious you know,
1:30:33
who you tell him to support you. Oops. It’s a it’s not a highlight. It’s just a lie. Okay, interesting. It’s a psychiatrist helping our US physician colleagues and medical students navigate the many intersections of our personal professional lives free and confidential. No appointment necessary open seven days a week. It looks like 8am to 1am Eastern Time. Geez, they can’t man it for 24 hours. Okay, I’ll follow up on that myself. And I want to get a hold of Pamela libeled. And I was going to talk to you a little bit to possible breakout room or something. These people with the do not do no harm film, are willing to come to classes or conferences and work with us in this process. And tell
Bill Clearfield 1:31:43
us they will talk about it. We have we do have a breakout room. available to us, you know, in Vegas, so Okay. Okay. Excellent. Anybody else have any comments, questions? experiences. I know this is a little bit different than our usual Tuesday night. Swore ways and it’s a bit more sobering. But, you know, it’s something that you know, we probably all dealt with at some point or another. And, if not, next week, Dr. Felice Gersh will be back with another gynecological lecture of excellence. As you can see, on the list bind here she’s on our program for Sunday at 230. They Jacob Teitelbaum and Todd born will be about vert doing virtual presentations. And Dr. Peter McCullough is a we still don’t have a firm time on him. He’s a fly in fly out. So this Saturday program will look a little different than it’s showing here. Also, Dr. Pauling tie has dropped out and he does not wish to do any of the virtual or pre recorded program. So we’ll be we still have a couple of openings left. Anybody you know, wishes to make the presentation Mary Elaine I have your stuff. I didn’t forget about you. And we’re pretty confident we’ll be getting the AMA and AOA credits for this. But we need those of you who are speakers. I need you I need all your information. I need your objectives. I need your references. I need a picture. I need that conflict of interest. If you’ve sent it in already, thank you. If not, please get it to me as soon as you can. I have a February 1 deadline for the AMA to get all that information in so it’s coming up.
1:33:56
You have a question doc in the chat. Do I? Yeah. What’s the medicine?
Bill Clearfield 1:34:05
Medicine that way? Beneful action Effexor.
1:34:08
Okay,
Bill Clearfield 1:34:09
the one that Mary Elena had mentioned, psychiatrist dropped it from 150 to 112.5. And the patient was was it’s I took a couple of weeks for the patient to become suicidal so so yeah, it’s an SSRI plus an SSRI and is its patients are seemed to be very calm on it while they’re on it, but try to get off of it. It’s nearly impossible. So Okay, any other questions, comments? Also Pristiq that has been the vaccine. Good enough. I don’t have that much experience with that one with the Beneful action, but you have that same experience, Dave? Yeah, I think I’ve had a couple patients say that. Yeah, given a couple days and they were yeah ready to crawl out of their skin I mean, any any probably any any drug in that, you know, in that category. SSRI plus SNRI will be probably have the same effect. So, Dr. Burgess, I’m sure you have something to say.
1:35:28
Because one of my absolute best friends who is a Vietnam vet, went through a funky time, but was put on Effexor and he said I’ve never felt like this in my life. I feel like I want to kill myself. And he was dead within a few days. And the Effexor you know, then was considered psycho my God. You know, I just had bad vibes about it, and he was dealing with the VA and all that jazz but the way he said I have never felt like this in my life. I feel like I want to kill myself. And I feel pretty sure it was a link to the effects or so. Yes, that’s a scary one.
Bill Clearfield 1:36:15
Final word on that Dr. Burgess it’s a scary one.
1:36:18
It’s a scary one. That’s right.
Bill Clearfield 1:36:22
Okay, anything else? Any anybody have any other comments, questions? And if not, like I said next week, we’ll be we have Dr. Gertz back with us again next week. And after that the next week after that we have Dr. Dr. Hobbs he’s a naturopath who’s very active in the in the functional medicine world. So I’ll say thank you. Thank you, Joe, for you know, another fabulous presentation and take care everybody got one more mess. Somebody as I mentioned got a thank you from Sylvia. So you’ll thank Silvia Dr. Burgess. Thanks. So have you myself. Thank you, sorry. Okay, so thank you all for being here. Thank you for supporting us. Let us know if you have something to present if you have a presenter. Let us know about it. There are endless Tuesday’s for me to fill so we we do our best to you know to do timely topics and interesting and you know, things that that come up along the way. So, thank you all for being here. We will have this up probably within 48 to 72 hours on our website. Aos er d.org/webinars Okay. All the webinars are recorded there. Last week’s there we even got a from last week’s we got a transcript but also there, so Well, okay. Thank you all thank you, Joel.
1:38:06
Thank you, everybody.
Bill Clearfield 1:38:07
Thank you. Good night. And Oh, one last thing. If you’re in the if you’re in the Lake Tahoe area. The bad Osteopathic Medical Association’s winter conference starts tomorrow and goes through Saturday. I’ll be speaking on Friday afternoon on controversies in gynecological hormone replacement on Saturday on Friday night and on Saturday morning, we’re going to be doing traumatic brain injury and mental conditions. So if you’re if you’re if you’re so inclined, you know, Noma has I think 34 credits, if you can make it and I think they have an online presence also if you go to nomad.org you can sign up with them. I have nothing to do with them. Dr. Richwine has incinerating a lecture on OMT what I learned so good. Here’s my email. Dr. Richwine and getting you can get in touch with me and we’ll see if we can can’t work that out. Okay, wait a minute. I went to Dr. Cruz. So there it is. It’s not there anymore. Okay, there it is. Okay, so, Dr. Rich fine. Give me Give me a jingle or here’s my text. We’ll see what we can do about getting some OMT in there also. Okay. All right, everybody. Thank you so much. Thank you, Joe. Thank you everybody, for participating. And we’ll see you again. Next week, same time, same station. Amen.
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Amen.
Bill Clearfield 1:39:59
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