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SPEAKERS
Bill Clearfield
Bill Clearfield 00:08
Hey Joe, can you check to see if we’re on
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now? Yeah, we are you
Bill Clearfield 00:35
Hello, major chord with these ingredients. I hope I hope you liked those dashing pictures I picked over you.
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I love it. I like that you can mean
Bill Clearfield 00:50
not too bad for an old guy
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is really good you know the power of means cannot be understated.
Bill Clearfield 00:56
Yeah, I know. So, you know, no, I didn’t grow up with that kind of stuff. So you know, it’s all new to me. So I don’t have to know what I’m doing half the time so
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it’s my marketing strategy means we use
Bill Clearfield 01:13
works very effectively. Yeah, I think I used a couple of them when they bounced us out of the aos. That was part of they didn’t like that, like the letter I got was that I was hostile to the aos. If you guys saw me, yeah, you guys started it
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so
Bill Clearfield 01:40
Okay, well,
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looks like you froze up Stephen.
Bill Clearfield 01:43
It looks like we lost them there.
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So welcome back.
Bill Clearfield 01:52
Okay, we got Dr. Swank here. seen him since in a long time. Fullscreen Yeah. So like Steven left if that was our speaker. I can always do a little song, soft shoe, song and dance if we can’t find there’ll be back so thank you. Thank everybody. For some new names here that I don’t recognize. We get started around right around five o’clock. Our time
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pharmacy. I like that name. Setup pharmacist.
Bill Clearfield 02:42
Yeah, we’d like to set up for whoever the fit up pharmacist is welcome. Dr. Singh welcome also. Dr. Smith, thank you for coming. Gerald hadn’t seen in a while. No. And so hopefully our speaker will be back shortly and meantime, I can always got a message from the Fed Up pharmacist Thank you up Mary It’s okay all right, Stephen you’re back. I’m
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back might open up my other laptop in case that happens again.
Bill Clearfield 03:48
All right, well even string a few rackets while you give this talk.
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Oh, no, this is gonna take concentration.
Bill Clearfield 03:54
Okay. Let’s just do that for relaxation.
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Yeah, when I have someone else speaking. I got a lot of rackets a string. I got a tennis tournament this weekend a beach.
Bill Clearfield 04:09
So how many rackets do you go through when?
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Usually we’ll go through every session I might go through a one. If I’m playing a full match usually a full match. We’ll do one in.
Bill Clearfield 04:38
So we’ll get started in a few minutes. Welcome everybody who’s no thank you for coming. The older folks. I got you twice Steve. So sometimes you get you’ll get an echo with that. So just be just be aware of that. Okay. Okay. If you don’t you don’t that’s fine, but that’s that happens here. Some
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muted over here.
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This is what happened to
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people who.
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We get to where the television was
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this one definitely looks better.
Bill Clearfield 06:26
So when you’re done, you know what to do right share the screen and all that good Yeah. Right. Joe I have you as co host by the way
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okay. So, okay,
Bill Clearfield 07:10
another minute or so. Yeah. I want to thank everybody. Welcome. This is our weekly Tuesday night webinar. And tonight we have Stefan Hartman, who’s a regular with us and he’s going to be speaking about ancestral diet for chronic disease management. Is that about right? I’m gonna get my old timers diseases kicking in. So there’s quite a few new names here. Thank you all for coming. Please mute yourself for now, and we always have questions and answers. You have any questions, put it in the chat. And we always go through all of them before we leave. Make yourself known if you’re if you’re so desire, please leave me your email address the new folks and we’ll put you on our list so that you’ll get all of our mailings. We are here every Tuesday night at 5pm Pacific 8pm Eastern, and whatever time it is in between for you. And we’ve been doing this for well over two and a half years. I will put down here you can get all of our previous shows at aos rd slash that org slash webinars. There’s videos on all of them and most of them have transcripts the unedited those of you know we are the American Osteopathic Society of integrative medicine. We’re not affiliated with anybody at the moment. We are still the American Osteopathic society rheumatic diseases also. And we are still accredited by the AMA. At the AOA want to hear the long sordid story maybe we’ll tell it some time. But for the moment, we’ll just let that go. In two weeks, please tell your friends please bring bring someone with you. We have Dr. Peter McCullough will be here and those of you who know who he is, you may you know he’s been a good friend of ours. He’s all over the news all the time. You know, whether you agree with him or not. He’s he’s an extremely interesting speaker and and a bit of a character. He was at our conference last March. And he’s been on a webinar with us before and you know, we’re not that big a group and he always we’ve he’s never turned us down. He’s always very great gracious with his time. There’s two, two lectures by him on that website, aos rd.org And it’s, it’s one or two hours long, and they’re quite fascinating to listen to. So even if you disagree with them, so thank you all for coming. And I’m going to turn it over to Steve now. And so Dr. Horvitz now you can invite whoever you like on it doesn’t have to you can invite patients. It doesn’t have to be healthcare professionals. We just don’t want any disruptions and we can shut everything and shut anybody off anyway. So. So we’re going to turn the turn to turn everything over to Steve and let him take it away.
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All right, you guys can hear me. Yes. All right.
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You all can see my screen here. Yes. All right. Very good. See this column? There we go.
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All right, everyone. My name is Stefan Hartman, Pa and I’m owner of higher and drag primary care, primary care practice direct primary care practice here in Melbourne, Florida. And I’m going to be talking to everyone about the ancestral diet and how we can reverse disease with this. Why is this important? I do house calls for patients. This is an average kitchen inventory that I see. So I go through people’s houses and I actually will go through their kitchen and their cabinets and see what they’re eating. Because as we all know, integrative and functional medicine is that you know, what you’re eating is going to pretty much determine what diseases you’re gonna have. So on average, we see a lot of soybean oil, vegetable oil consumption. People are aren’t aware of how much they’re consuming. It’s in a lot of food products. And I’ll go through and I’ll pull it out and I’ll just read labels and kind of educate them on how prevalent this stuff is. And we’ll get into the literature a little bit later. How toxic and dangerous this stuff is. Besides that there’s a lot of high fructose corn syrup, a lot of sugar people just aren’t aware of how much sugar and high fructose corn syrup they’re consuming. And really low protein and low protein quality intake. So very poor protein intake. We’re talking about a bit about the sarcopenia epidemic. But really why the ancestral diet and even the lancet is on to this right there’s describing that there’s more to the worldwide epidemic of metabolic dysfunction and autoimmune disease than just excess calorie consumption right you may hear calories in calories out, that’s all that really matters that go a little bit deeper than that, right? So, yes, calories do matter. But the quality of those calories matter perhaps a little bit more specifically when we’re talking about chronic disease management and prevention, right. So I this didn’t come out of nowhere. I have my own story of how this affected me. I had lateral epicondylitis so tennis elbow early on in my tennis career at University of Central Florida. And it debilitated me. But here I am at age 30 I’m competing this weekend in another tennis event and no issues back then the conventional treatment right are popping ibuprofen 600 milligrams my my arm felt like it was numb. I couldn’t even hold it up right icing it you know nothing really helped even one of my teammates gave me
Bill Clearfield 13:45
for tomorrow. These are David
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can we get yourself there? Thanks. Even the two minute he gave me a narcotic little to my knowledge and hey, it worked. And that is actually kind of a common scenario in athletes. Right? That’s kind of a lot of athletes will get roped into drug abuse and narcotic abuse, the essentially off of good intentions by teammates to by sharing their medicines with them. And I was not alone in this. So I had chronic pain. I took it once. It did help my pain but I realized that’s not an option. There’s conventional therapies for this if you look on up to date they say it’s a disease of the novice tennis player, but I’m far from a novice. And so none of this really made any sense to me I did all this the stretches the ice is the ibuprofen it just didn’t get better. Right. So that led me to some deeper, deeper searching and I came across the ancestral diet and lo and behold, it fixed my tennis elbow. And the deeper I went into this, the more I understood that it can potentially treat all kinds of diseases, right? More energy for patients more resilient to disease, less inflammation, at least in my case through lateral epicondylitis. I could attest to that. We go deeper into it. We see prevention sarcopenia osteoporosis, age related disorders, right reversal of diabetes, and obesity. So let’s talk a little bit about this. Why there’s writing all over my screen. Your toxic bucket is full, right? So oils and additives to avoid. So these would be your soybean oil, cottonseed oil, rice bran oil, a lot of these industrial oils that are highly oxidized, right so when I tell my patients about ancestral diets, think about you know, maybe how we evolved what your what your answers to have been eating corn oil and soybean oil? No, most likely not. These are very difficult to synthesize and we just wouldn’t have evolved with these. So that’s what I kind of teach my patients about. But let’s go a little bit into deeper detail on these vegetable oils and seed oils. There was a lot of discussion in the literature about this of the balance between omega threes and Omega sixes you can actually measure this in the blood on your patients and you can check it via kind of more expensive test to do so not everybody does that and I don’t order these routinely because my patient population typically, you know, is an average income, maybe even low income so we’re not ordering super expensive tests like these. So we basically go through the kitchen cabinet and we try to improve that ratio just by going through their kitchen fridge. Right? We try to improve their omega threes. What we see over the past 100 years is a massive increase in Omega six oils and essentially these highly oxidized oils right these corn oil and canola oils and soybean oils in particular. And we see over this time an increase in disease. Now we might say hey, this was correlation not causation. However, if we look at the farm industry, chicken farmers and beef farmers know this very well. You want to fatten up your animal you feed it grains and you feed it vegetable oils. This is well known to at least in the farm industry to increase the fat content of your animal. However, we haven’t extrapolated this to humans yet. As far as I’ve known in the in the conventional literature. Soybean oil safflower oil, this has a long history this came back in the 1960s with the whole lot low fat push you guys may be have been on the frontlines of that back then and some of y’all are a lot older than I am medicine. But you may have remembered back then the American Medical Association saying that safflower oil was healthier. This big push towards low fat, fats, right and margins. However, we really just saw that increase in disease over this time period, not an improvement in it. We can just some of you back in the 80s and 70s You probably didn’t see the obesity that we just see nowadays this metabolic dysfunction, just skyrocketing. And this in correlates with the amount of vegetable and seed oils, these processed industrial oils that have been consumed. So again, you can look at charts on this of the Omega three to omega six ratios instead of running expensive tests on your patients, right. So you can look at things like olive oil. The content of omega threes to omega six is not too bad. But when we get down here, look at the safflower oil, look at soybean oil, right? So you have you’re in the 50,000 milligram range of omega sixes here and these are regular omegas. These are oxidized, highly heated vegetable oil so they’re already denatured and pro inflammatory. But we can see the Omega three to omega six balance is completely off here. And if you go through patient’s cabinets, you will see they’re consuming cottonseed oil they were consuming or corn oil is sometimes cooking with it and thinking it’s a healthy thing. But the ratio will be completely off. But then I get this but wait, you can’t tell patients to eat saturated fats that’s that’s clearly bad for you. Right well not so much. And even the American College of Cardiology is coming on board and this can didn’t get a lot of recognition. This came out in 2020 in the middle of pandemic, but ACC came out and said that they had been wrong about the whole saturated fat theory and that perhaps it’s LDL size the particles these ratios that are a little bit more important than even the Brits are on to this as well. The Brits state in the British Medical Journal in 2017 that saturated fat does not clog arteries. Coronary heart disease is a chronic inflammatory condition, the risk of which can be effectively reduced with healthy lifestyle interventions. Where’s all this inflammation coming from? Right so let’s get a little bit deeper into that. And the ancestral diet itself so we have here my my fiance’s beef liver pate recipe we’ll talk a little bit about organ meats and why they’re important. But essentially you can get a lot of your nutrients from foods and with my patient population that’s very important because again, we I work with a lot of low income patients they don’t have money for expensive IV nutraceutical infusions, high end supplements, right? So we need to make sure that what they’re eating gives them the right nutrients and you can get this through the ancestral diet, which we’ll show you in a little bit. And here’s my point towards the calories in calories out is a little bit over simplified, where I focus more on nutrient density per calorie and the satiety effect of certain foods have right you can see here on the right here, what about 197 grams of protein looks like and for myself. I try to hit that. For the most part. Sometimes I can’t, but I try to hit about at least one gram per pound of body weights. That’s minimum but if you’re trying to gain muscle mass, at least 1.5 grams per pound of body weight up to up to even two for some bodybuilders. But essentially what this will do is it’ll create satiety for your patients right so we use semaglutide These ozempic medicines, what do they do right? They enhance the tiny but you can do the similar effect by protein leveraging right this is a term that bodybuilders are well aware of as you increase the amount of protein per calories that you’re consuming to enhance the tidy for weight loss. Right. But and even in literature so my friends in the low carb community, they call it low carb high fat diets, right. So we have a little bit more literature on these than the ancestral diet. But these are very helpful for reversing metabolic dysfunction. And this is pretty well established in the literature for metabolic disease, type two diabetes, and weight loss. I like this study a lot dietary carbohydrate restriction improves metabolic syndrome independent of weight loss, again, because we hear so often in the fitness community and in health, weight loss clinics. That it’s all calories in, calories out. But here is a very cool study, identifying that you can improve metabolic syndrome with a carbohydrate restriction, independent of weight loss, so the scale is not moving, but other things are changing. We’re improving the pattern of the lipid particles. The low carbohydrate diet increases LDL size with if we remember what the American College of Cardiology said earlier. The LDL size is a little bit more important than just looking at the simple LDL cholesterol. We’re improving the phenotype these pattern a pattern B phenotypes if you’re ordering NMR lipoproteins, which I do pretty routinely on most patients, right i i pretty much never order a standard lipid panel. I’m always looking at the pattern of their lipid particles. And if these are improving, if their insulin sensitivity is improving here, which can be done with these diets, and then I hear oftentimes from my conventional colleagues that high protein diets are dangerous. So we have to address some of these concerns here. I like putting out this one the pro heart trial where we had essentially patients with heart failure and diabetes mellitus doing a higher protein diet and the conclusion of this study is that they lost fat specifically around their midsection and on their organs that visceral fat, which is conducive to cardiac disease
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on the higher protein diet compared to the standard protein and even here this is they actually did kind of still low protein in my opinion like 30% protein, that’s still low protein in my opinion, but I guess, way more protein than what conventional practices are using in their heart failure and diabetic patients. So let’s talk a bit about sarcopenia. Is this muscular wasting, you go to Walmart, you typically will see this in 92% of the people going around through walnut that Walmart they’re hunched over on the carts, they’re failed, maybe they’re in the go karts, the electric carts. This is muscular wasting, replace with fatty infiltration. Think about the Wagyu beef, you go to the butcher, you see a Wagyu beef, there’s fat streaking in the muscle. This is metabolic dysfunction in the cow, but this is common in the human being as well. If you do MRI scans of your patients, you look at their quadriceps muscle. Heck, you can do it even with an ultrasound you can look at their calf muscle and you can see at least with the ultrasound, white, right, you can see that whiteness in the muscle and that’s fatty infiltration of muscle. But we can improve this with resistance training and a higher protein diet. Right we have to protein leverage. So let’s talk a little bit about this ancestral diet. Maybe we have talked a little bit about vegan diet, this gets a lot of popularity. Also in the functional medicine community, a lot of push towards plant based diets. Unfortunately, plants provide a very low protein quality. You do not convert. You don’t get extract amino acids. They don’t have carnitine they don’t have creative and there’s not a lot of B vitamins and if you’re not buying expensive organic vegetables, regenerating braised vegetables, you’re not getting a lot of B vitamins or any vitamins at all. Unfortunately this is pushed a lot online in media and even in our A for Mr meetings. I see this all the time where the vegan and the plant base is being pushed, where if you’re looking at the data on this, there’s really not a whole lot of evidence that this you know, reverses metabolic syndrome. Does it prevent sarcopenia you know, if we’re focusing on myopically on LDL particles or lipid or lowering cholesterol sure to lower cholesterol but, you know, if if we’re up to date on the latest literature on what causes heart disease is not cholesterol, okay? It’s inflammation, and it’s the life of protein particles. I sometimes get this from patients and colleagues like that isn’t eating protein just for bodybuilders? No. Let’s talk about the aging muscle. Let’s talk about sarcopenia right? So skeletal muscle is a potential immune regulator right so muscle isn’t just for bodybuilders. Eating protein isn’t just for body we we want to maintain muscle as much as we can throughout our our extended lifespan so that we have a higher quality of life so that we aren’t frail and debilitated with fractures and in the go kart at Walmart at age 7065. You see younger and younger. This is sarcopenia for the most part and muscular wasting from low protein intake, obviously low hormones which were a huge fan of hormone optimization. But if you think about it through the immune aspect, having higher muscle will improve your immune system as well. And there’s a lot of mechanisms for why this happens. Let’s talk about another point isn’t eating protein bad for your kidneys? I hear this all the time? No, it’s only harmful in those with advanced chronic kidney disease then yes, potentially high protein diets could be bad but in the average population and even in your older population that have good preserved kidney function. No, it’s actually very important to get more protein into the diet. So what is my diet look like? What is it stands for this will look like answers today looks like visually, okay. Most of my calories are from protein. So I’d say about 70% of my calories. Are from protein. I do cycle fruits throughout the year I typically will eat more fruit during the summer time I do eat more fruit or higher glycemic foods in the middle of tennis tournaments, sometimes even in between changeovers. I’ll be eating fruit or even honey I will be eating rice. So foods that are lower inflammatory. I am a huge fan of dairy, specifically raw dairy which we’ll get into in a little bit. organ meats. So you can see here an example of a kidney in the top left corner and bone marrow. You can make your soups easily out of this. I’m not averse to plants. I just I don’t waste my money on glyphosate ridden plants. We had a lecture previously here about the dangers of glyphosate so if I’m not getting regenerate the grown organic vegetables, I’m just skipping on them and eating animal based foods. So again, further with my ancestral diet, we consider foods that are neutral like potatoes, rice tubers, right these, these are fine foods. We just get ideally a really quality source with those and maybe soaking them soaking rice overnight. Specifically if you’re going to soak if you’re going to use beans for protein we want to make sure we’re soaking these overnight perhaps in a bit of probiotics to help break down these things a little bit so it’s they’re easier to digest, but still we find patients that can’t tolerate these things either. So let’s talk a little bit about dairy because we want to definitely differentiate the two types of dairy out there, right. So lactose versus lactulose, right? We all know what lactose and Lateralus are. Maybe I should describe it a little bit better. Lactose is the prescription diarrheal agent,
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right.
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Dairy in its raw form doesn’t have lactose in it. But the moment you superheat milk when you pasteurize it, it converts lactose to Lac Tullos. So suddenly, perhaps you have a patient that says I’m lactose intolerant. I put this patient on a raw milk. And sure enough, this lactose intolerance doesn’t exist. So did this patient really have lactose intolerance? Or was it just intolerance to pasteurized dairy that had a high lactose content? Now in the advent of Walmart and ultra high pasteurized milk, we have a very high concentration of lactose. So it actually increases with the amount you pasteurize this so we can actually get kind of a laxative effect from pasteurized dairy, almost kind of like micro dosing latulippe. No one would do that in their right mind, get prescription lactulose and put this in their drink every day. But that’s essentially what we’re doing when we’re giving patients pasteurized dairy. But the besides the pass receive process on the lactose lactose conversion, you are damaging amino acids. And proteins, right? You are damaging these these amino acids that we think that we’re getting but perhaps not so much for, for example, lysine. lysine is one amino acid that is antiviral prevents cold sores. This is degraded to a large degree. When you are pasteurizing. And specifically ultra high temperature pasteurization of milk. It’s called the Maillard reaction, and that’s the browning of foods that you get with overheating them. lysine is lost by the Mahler reaction. We have degrees here if you’re interested, I think 130 Celsius bio for 290 seconds, blocks lysine and whole milk. Alright, so we can destroy this. But let’s talk about enzymes. There’s perhaps you know, 50 Enzymes I can think of off the top of my head that are also destroyed with pasteurization process. So 50 Celsius, you already start to degrade them. 70 Celsius was just standard pasteurization process. You’ve destroyed most of your enzymes and we talked previously in this community about lactoferrin and its role in preventing or treating cancer. So even that one molecule you can buy it on full scripts, it’s kind of expensive, about 70 bucks. But you know, lactoferrin has been gone from the diet from pretty much all civilized nations, because of the pasteurization process, right. So, again, we have to look at the increase of diseases the increased cancer the increased risk of all diseases and autoimmune diseases, and we look at these enzymes like lactoferrin, which controls the immune system is antiviral. It steals iron from bacterial love and pathogens and puts it into your own cells to prevent iron deficiency anemia, a lot of benefits towards going back more towards an ancestral milk as well. And we can’t talk about the ancestral diet without talking about NAD and red meat. Okay, so we all know about NAD is the big hot topic in anti aging medicine, right? We got you know, people doing IV infusions of this for treating long COVID And for reversing aging, it’s a coenzyme involved in you know, 500 more than 500 enzymatic reactions in the body. But where can you find NAD? Well, my favorite source is red meats. And we’re going to show you a chart in a little bit about that, but you can get it you can inject it IV infusion, you can get David Sinclair’s brand there. But you could get it from red meats and you don’t have to purchase expensive products so much right. So we look at the sources to hide the chart here on sources of nicotinamide we can get so much from red meat a little bit from chicken fish kind of drops off. Really not much to say at all about NAD and beans, wheat, low quality rice, not much to say there about it potato, soybean. So it says your red meat is going to be your main source of NAD and you know again vegans and a lot of calorie and calorie out. Proponents will say all protein is created equal but if we look at even NAD No, not all protein is created equal. Alright, so further points to the protocol that we’re going to discuss here that potentially trigger immune diseases. Flower we all know about the dangers of flower but again, these are plant based milk options that typically high in vegetable oils, you just pick up any of these you’ll typically see canola and or soybean oil, there’s always that and or you do that slash between the canola and whatever comes after that. That’s just the bottom line for these big companies. They’re trying to find the cheapest ingredients out there and put it in your product to sell it to the consumer. They’re not looking out for your health and not putting soybean oil in it because it’s healthier for you. They’re putting in it and or canola oil because it’s cheaper. Okay. High fructose corn syrup. This is in pretty much all your your food products out there at least the sweeter ones. A diabetes prevalence 20% greater in countries with higher availability of high fructose corn syrup compared to countries with low availability Yeah, for for children especially they should not be consuming high fructose corn syrup it goes right to their brains that makes an agitated you can see the difference in children and getting them off this stuff. Gluten we have to talk about that one that you know functionalist knows about this pretty well how it opens up tight junctions breaks these down causes leaky gut syndrome increases your autoimmune reactions. In my case, I’m very sensitive to gluten. My tennis elbow can come back like that. I can cause tennis elbow and myself with a combination of bad bread products. And hard tennis events. So this is the first thing I get patients off of is we get them off the gluten we try to repair their gut and see how they do. But let’s talk about the nutrients and a couple of these options out there for your patients. So we got mackerel here we can see 112 grams one fillet of macro we can see a decent amount of vitamin A maybe 187 units not bad. It stands out more on minerals like potassium, a little bit of zinc. Manganese has great amino acids obviously. But the Omega three to omega six ratio is very good there. So we’re getting 3000 milligrams of omega threes to only buy two and a 45 of omega six. So that’s a really good ratio there to help improve our patients Omega three to six ratio. Let’s look at beef liver, kind of one of my favorite ml multivitamins out there, right so instead of, you know expensive Quicksilver Scientific, B vitamin complex cost your patient $50 For a little bottle of that. You can get beef liver, you can get this at Publix and the frozen section for a pound for about $6 and this can feed a family for for about two weeks. And getting plenty of minerals right and vitamins. So we’ll look at the top of the list here vitamin A 31,000 units of vitamin A, we know vitamin they, it improves eyesight. It improves the Mississippi the treatment for measles, right? And I hear oftentimes in the functional community. Oh What about vitamin A toxicity? Well, this is very rarely happened once in Arctic explorers who ate polar bear liberal liver moral the story is don’t eat polar bear liver. This doesn’t happen and regularly for bison, liver, beef liver, chicken liver, this does not happen. Right? You get selenium Look at this. 52% of the daily value of selenium we know thyroid dysfunction is an epidemic as well. We can get a Selenium here, okay. A bit of a phosphorus, magnesium, retinol all the amino acids again. Now and then I was at an A Forum event and I asked a doctor who he gave a lecture on how to treat some very difficult disease and he had a supplement list that at the end of his lecture was this long. And I went up to this and I said I asked him I said What are your thoughts on beef liver, I mean you can get pretty much 90% except like where certain which you’re mentioning, you get 90% of what you were recommending as a supplement which would cost the patient probably $500 a month from beef liver. You know what he said? He said, Why would you eat the filter organ of the animal? And so the quality of the animal matters a lot. And this is actually quite striking. When you feed and when you put a cow in a barn and you feed it grains you feed it oils and soybean oils. What happens is that the liver becomes abscessed it’s such a huge problem in the farming industry that they’re trying to develop a vaccine to prevent liver abscesses in cows because there’s a lot of mortality associated. This is why a lot of cows will get antibiotics. Now there’s just a whole push for antibiotic free cows. But if you feed them junk, they’re gonna get sick. So usually what they’ll do the grass feed the cow year round and at the end of feed them a short course of grains and so forth to fatten mud, make them feed, make them taste better. But if you feed them this long term, they get absence they get sick. And this is what I see in patients as well as a lot of abscesses lot of sickness. You can think of them kind of like the feedlot cows just eating junk and thereby process their meat is going to be junk. They’re their muscles gonna be junk, their livers gonna be junk. So obviously you wouldn’t eat a junk food cow’s liver you would try to get a grass fed a farm raised pasture raised cow you’re gonna get a high quality liver, their liver, spleen, kidney, right.
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So glyphosate is in Roundup is used on plants as a reason why I avoid or I don’t have such a strong recommendation for consuming a lot of plants. Again, a lot of my patients are low income, if unless they’re buying organic vegetables, I say you should just focus your money on beef, right? So for instance, the cow has more stomachs so there’s some suggestion that they can even, you know, process out glyphosate and some of these toxins a bit better than us. We look here at the Diet of the Eskimo. This is a fantastic paper that I wish was more well known. So this is a paper we had some Arctic explorers back in the 1950s that went and looked at the Eskimos to see what these people were eating. And this was these were contemporaries, contemporaries of Ancel Keys. So me so you may know Ancel Keys, he’s the guy who gave us the whole 70 years of low fat diets, right because he had the hypothesis that the the Sardinians and then some Italians and Greeks, because they ate more olives and less meats, that there was less saturated fat in their diet and this less heart disease. And we looked at the other side of the world and we looked at this guy, and he was looking at Eskimos and they had essentially no cardiac diseases. Now these people they eat a high saturated fat diet and the high meat diet mostly they could sit they subsist off of red meats, they would hunt the seals, they would hunt elk if they can get it and yes, they did start dying out but this was from Western influence, right so we know the story of how the Native Americans were mostly eradicated and it was through eradication of the bison you destroy the bison you destroy the Native American populations source of meat you destroy their their energy, their their willpower. And their their source of income and food. So if you take the native person away from the ancestral diet, which is mostly a red meat based diet, they get weaker, okay? They lived off of a bison antelope, a caribou, moose, beaver bear hairs, anything that you get their hands on a lot of seals as well. But when they were introduced to the white men’s diet, flour, sugar, tea, lard, so these three ingredients, they liked it a lot and when you give them sugar, they ate a lot of it. What they start getting they started getting Western diseases. They started getting diseases of the eyes that we would see perhaps in diabetics, we had this ophthalmologist Look at their eyes back then. And you know, what did he suggested he suggested surgery lasix to suggest Metformin know what this ophthalmologist in 1946 suggested? Was for these natives to go back on their ancestral diet and eat organ meats. Right. So we have this understanding, at least with ancestral populations. Even if you look at current ancestral populations in Alaska, there’s actually a lot of positive reinforcement for them to actually eat seal her right. Yes, they are encouraged to eat seal because their ancestral food is known to make them healthier. Right. We look here at the the TB the tuberculosis we think of this as an infectious disease. Right? But the Eskimos only started getting tuberculosis when they were introduced to the white man’s diet. Right? If we look at some theories as to what tuberculosis is, and was, it was potentially our evolutionary friend that would produce NAD in times of meat starvation. This is a fantastic article by the International Journal of tryptophan research, written 2017 is very lengthy and take you about an hour to read it. But it goes through kind of the evolutionary aspect of human civilization as it relates to NAD and in times of great neat star vacations, you would see sometimes reactivation of tuberculosis, and in times of plenty, you will see reductions in tuberculosis. It’s very fascinating this tuberculosis thing because these population they live with it inside their lungs and it only reactivates when they are fed a Western diet. Coke you 10 Eat your heart raw, right, so this is again comes back to the Maillard reaction when you superheat foods and when you eat foods, you’ll lose the nutrient quality so we all know the importance of coke YUTAN all your patients on statin drugs if you’re using Stan’s should be on CO q 10. But you can get all the cookie 10 You need from a couple cubes of rock Beefheart you can you can chop it up dividends some smack Sally sauce you can swallow at home. It’s a very cheap and affordable method for getting cookie 10 of your buddies if you look again at the prices on cookie 10 on full scripts, it’s like $70 for like 30 capsules is impossible for a lot of patients just eat beef heart. So this is interesting, fermented foods we have to talk about this because all ancestral cultures have a fermented food culture, right? The Cree word for Eskimos is Husky poo, which means he who eats the meat raw. There’s actually a very weird dish where they would stuff it stuff dead seal and leave it to ferment under a rock for about three months. This was called a key EK. Another recipe is caribou liver allowed to ferment inside a moss filled caribou stomach under a hot sun for some days before eating is a considered a delicacy. We there’s a lecture I think, let me see want to give it here. It’s called the disappearing microbiome. This is from our overuse of antibiotics, our sterile civilization, but potentially also our lack of fermented foods. So again, fermenting Foods has always been part of the ancestral diet. So I like to do rock kefir. I find that actually very tasty. Rockefeller has actually some anti COVID effects, immune modulatory effects it’s antioxidant. So very cheap and easy to do. You just get some kefir crystals you confirm it some raw milk and sure enough within a couple of days you have good fear. You can sweeten this if you’d like. I typically will mix for raw eggs and kefir stir up and I will drink this sometime if I’m in a rush in the morning trying to see patients collagen peptides I recommend these. These are from the cartilage either between the joint knuckles of the cow or you can get marine collagen which is the fish scales or the ribcage cartilage and collagen peptides have again, a lot of anti inflammatory benefits they help with arthritis osteoarthritis to treating arthritis. burn wound topical application. So a lot of regenerative aspects to get in college and back into the body met again lack of college and as associate with a lot of age related decline. So is supplementing this may have a lot of benefits, both preventatively and for treatment of diseases. So in conclusion, as the British Medical Journal surmised perfectly, it’s time to shift the public health message in the prevention and treatment of coronary heart disease away from measuring certain lipids reducing and reducing dietary saturated fat coronary heart disease or chronic inflammatory disease. And it can be effectively reduce reduced. And my approach to this is yes, exercise of course, but lowering the inflammation in the diet, just removing the processed foods, incorporating back in some of these ancestral foods so you can get the nutrients into the diet. And sure enough, as what you’ll see is your patients will have more vitality more energy, they’ll be calling you less for illness, their muscle mass will be improved and they’ll be losing weight. They’ll be able to reduce their budget, on on salary on supplements, save money there and really save money overall on foods because the ancestral diet is very affordable. You’re not eating out so much you’re satiated more so your overall calorie intake is lower. And so there’s a lot of benefits it was financially for your patients for your own, you know benefit of not having to deal with so many sick patients. But also you’re improving civilization as a whole and society as a whole. By reducing the health care burden associated with the SAD diet, the standard American diet. If you need if you want some more sources of where to find some of these things, you can follow my fiance’s Instagram cooking show where she comes up with ancestral recipes you can find my YouTube series which is more for comedic relief. If anything because I’m not the best chef, but primal kitchen condiments can’t good condiments can be found without soybean oil, simple milk products, you can get crackers and so forth made with avocado oil instead like from CFA or simple more mills. US wellness meats you can literally order organ meats shipped right to your door you can get thymus gland like really easy to Tarik things with and get this to your patients. desiccated Oregon supplements of course you can do that they’re a bit more expensive. I always just recommend the real thing. And then raw milk Google real milk.com And you can find your local farmer you know ask your local farmer if he has some for you. Here is so my contact information. I have YouTube channel Facebook Bramble ticked up I’m always posting more educational content like this trying to educate people about how to improve their patients lives. Thank you
49:22
the font that was it was great. Excellent. Yeah, I learned a few. Quite a few things here. But I did have a couple of questions.
49:32
Yes. So is does
49:35
is this similar to the carnivore diet and to carnivore
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diet is restriction of all carbohydrates. Now, I don’t do that. For the most part. I only did that for my photoshoot. You saw my picture there as pretty lean. It will deplete you of water so I lost about seven pounds the week I did carnivore and it was all from electrolyte depletion. And for me it’s not the best for performance wise I just don’t perform at that high explosive I need for professional tennis events. I carnivores fun to try out. Sure.
50:11
Okay. And then is this die obviously you’re you’re I mean you’re healthy and shape. I mean, you know more than anybody else, like I know right now. And so is this your approach and the diet that you’re doing? Does this work better when you’re you are working out more regularly, more maxing out? Because I I’m sitting there thinking if somebody is more sedentary, what would they respond to the high protein the high meat diet the same way?
50:48
Well, if we if we look at some of the literature on where these lower carbohydrate diets are used, they’re used in pretty diseased populations for reversing the metabolic syndrome, the pro heart trial so improving patients outcomes and heart failure and diabetes are pretty sick populations here, probably not doing the high protein that I’m doing. And so this is showing a 30% protein intake I’m doing more 70% but you can use this in pretty sedentary and disease populations and see a benefit. Okay,
51:22
no, no, very good. I like the idea of the the Oregon’s at, you know, just never crossed my mind like beef liver. And like you said some of the places that you had listed that at the end of the lecture where you can order them and if they don’t have the selection that the local, I don’t know, Whole Foods, know as some of these things know that
51:47
you can get so if you go to your little local Hispanic store around the corner, I guarantee you they have chicken feet, they have chicken hearts, they have chicken livers, you can find these things, probably not the grass fed source, but they’re everywhere. You just need to know where to look.
52:05
So are there any organs you we should avoid? I mean, so sounds like heart liver.
52:11
No, no, Oregon’s you should avoid, I would just go towards a higher quality one. So if you’re gonna get chickens a week I would make sure you’re you get it from a good source. A lot of chickens are fed junk and they’re mono gastric so they only have one stomach so they don’t filter out all the toxins as well as cows do which I think I have three stomachs so they can filter out a lot of things. But even cows will get diseased livers as I pointed out, so again, try to get the grass fed as much as you can. Okay, thank you okay,
Bill Clearfield 52:49
anybody wants to slides there’s a link here in the chat. You can copy that. And Joe, if you can get it. We’ll we’ll we’ll get it we’ll put it on the website also. Omega quants Did you talked about omega threes and Omega six fatty acids and measuring them. There’s an Omega quant testing that can be done for $60.
53:17
That’s good. Okay.
Bill Clearfield 53:22
And I’m not sure what this means exactly. Low Carb bocce this year had a great presentation on why calories in calories out did not work and calories out don’t work. Okay. So low carb Bolton was an event taking it. Dr. EADS of protein power fame gave the talk and I believe it’s on YouTube. So anybody wants to look at that. I went ahead
53:45
and checked it out doc. It’s called Dr. Michael, Aedes weight loss, calories, insulin or a third alternative. It’s under the low carb down under YouTube channel.
53:58
Yeah. It’s a good channel. I’ve watched it extensively.
Bill Clearfield 54:01
Okay. Does lamb counters red meat? Yes. Do grass fed farmers feed their cows grass that has not been contaminated with glyphosate?
54:13
Yeah, again that’s hard to tell but you know again they are try gastric animals so they can filter out the stuff potentially bit better than say chickens can or weakened so but ideally not we get a good farmer that doesn’t do that.
Bill Clearfield 54:29
There’s got we got some initials here, some some letters. So not you know, I’m old so I don’t know what they exactly be. What do you do with patients that have epi and also for people with T M A au issues so personally, I don’t know what either of those are. Dr. Beverly, if you’re out there. you unmute yourself and let us know what these mean. Are Steve’s you know what they are?
54:59
I think she’s talking about a genetic. Oh, there we go.
55:05
Hi. EPI is exocrine pancreatic insufficiency and a lot of our patients have like fecal elastase levels of even less than 200. So they have insufficient pancreatic enzymes, and I give them enzymes, but I’m not sure that that’s always adequate and our older patients to really digest red meat very well. I mean, I do have them cook it to death. You know, I just haven’t cook it and slow cook it so it’s like super soft as possible, but they still often have a hard time digesting it.
55:43
You may want to try the opposite actually. So if you look at some of the literature of what happens when you superheat and super cook things that actually it removes enzymes that actually help and aid in digestion. So the opposite may be more beneficial for your patients and cooking it more lightly. And maybe even doing raw raw oysters for example, maybe even some raw organ meats may be better to digest for
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them. I think it would be a tough sell for some of my patients, but I don’t disagree. I grew up my mother made sweetbreads, which is like the thymus gland of the cow. I don’t know if any of you guys ever read that. Tongue and liver and I remember growing up with all that. The other thing is the TMA O is a compound that’s made with people who have mal digestion. That is an inflammatory compound. And in some some of my patients have that issue where if they eat red meat, they create too much to Mayo. And they get inflammation and pain from it. So those are those are my stumbling blocks with my patient population.
56:48
Yeah, and gallbladder removal is to may pose a challenge.
56:52
Yes, yes. Yeah,
56:54
I have them all on enzymatic or digestive enzymes as well.
Bill Clearfield 56:59
Okay. Okay. What would you say your ratio of organ meats to regular meat is?
57:07
Well, if you make a beef liver pet, say, hey, kappa a whole pound of that that’ll last a while. I’d probably eat. Usually about six ounces every day. If you look at some of these ancestral supplements, they’ll recommend six capsules a day. That pretty much equates to about six ounces and you can get it in a couple times a week. You don’t need to do much as specifically if you you’re eating like beef liver or for the vitamin A concentration you don’t need to marshalling three times a week would be fine. If you’re trying to fix like iron deficiency anemia, bison spleen has a high iron concentration so you can rapidly fix that in your anemic patients. You know, forget about IV infusions of iron or making them take those iron capsules that make everyone sick. Just having me bison spleen that’ll resolve relatively quickly.
Bill Clearfield 57:59
I’m not sure I would get bison, spleen and Reno.
58:02
You can order it from North Star bison online. They’ll ship it right to your door.
Bill Clearfield 58:07
Okay. All right. Good to know. Like our previous questionnaire that could be a little bit of a tough sell. So
58:17
yeah, use this smack Sally to one a flat sauce. You chop up this bison splitting super fine. You take a fork, you dip it in the Sally sauce and down the hatch. All you taste is really the Tijuana flats sauce.
Bill Clearfield 58:33
Okay. Dr. Cruz says he had a patient 55 years old develop protein urea how much protein is too much for the kidney?
58:45
It did he have CKD again, if you they have the CKD they need to be careful with it but if they don’t have CKD It’s okay.
Bill Clearfield 58:54
Thank you have any suppose they do have a chronic kidney disease?
59:00
Well, I would still try to optimize protein intake. Monitor kidney function obviously but it hydrated very well. But I don’t think it’s there’s probably the other medications that they’re on that are causing the kidney damage.
Bill Clearfield 59:18
You had to deep fry something a few times a year besides beef tallow. Can you use lard or anything else to avoid seed oils?
59:25
I use lard, tallow, avocado oil. Even olive oil I’ve been learning has a higher heat tolerance than I initially thought. Olive oil is an unsaturated fat or a mono unsaturated fats and it’s supposed to have a heat tolerance of only 350 degrees Fahrenheit. But there are some antioxidants in there that seem to protect it against heating so it may be okay to fry as well.
Bill Clearfield 59:53
Okay there’s a statement old people benefit for big chain hydrochloric tablets to help digest meat and you don’t use them at all.
1:00:05
Only for people who’ve been on those OMAP puzzles you know that stuff’s over the counter now that everyone has messed up stomach acidity. They have the stomach acidity of a deer didn’t have that slide here but you can give someone the stomach acidity of a deer of 7.7 ph by feeding them a map Rizal the human stomach has a stomach acidity akin to that of the red Falcon or the bald eagle. So we’re about 1.3 to 1.5 ph but you can mess that up pretty easily with Omega Brazil and so forth, which everyone is eating like candy. So yeah, they probably need to do some HCLU to fix their stomach acidity.
Bill Clearfield 1:00:42
Okay, can you repeat that I I want you all out there to see the things you learned on our webinar. We have the the pH that the stomach pH of a falcon. Yes. Versus a deer. Yeah, I
1:00:58
can try to find the slides here but yep. Bald Eagle. Oh, here it is. I got the slide here. You guys liked this one. share my screen here is my lecture on how to fix acid reflux naturally. Okay, okay, here we go. So we have here a whole spreadsheet here. So let’s find the dear okay. 5.5 is stomach acidity. Elephant actually has decent stomach acidity. Where’s the human human here? 1.5. Okay, bald eagle. 1.3. Okay, so we’re closer to the bald eagle than we are with the deer. Right but you know, human here on the map parasol that’s a low number I’ve seen in literature as high as seven high as eight pH you can mess up a human stomach pretty easily with the stuff that the FDA now has over the counter. You can get it at Costco in bulk. If you want to eat a lot of it. It’s nuts.
Bill Clearfield 1:02:03
Go back one go back to the your spreadsheet again, sir. Yeah, here.
1:02:07
Three Falcon one point out.
Bill Clearfield 1:02:09
I think I think the I think I see a ferret.
1:02:13
Very what’s the ferret at
Bill Clearfield 1:02:15
1.5 Download?
1:02:17
Oh, yeah, yeah, that’s pretty good. The wandering albatross is 1.5 is an obligate Scavenger. So you can see you these were the ferret is a carnivore generalist carnivores. So we have the stomach acidity of the carnivore here.
Bill Clearfield 1:02:33
Okay. So you can have all sorts of metaphors for the wandering albatross, which has the same p stomach pH as us right. Just leave it to your knee. You know. What is the origination and well
1:02:53
that’s your expertise with wondering all the trust
Bill Clearfield 1:02:55
is not in the literal sense. It’s a figuratively so can you put in your your fiance’s cooking site?
1:03:07
Yes.
1:03:11
Yeah, she’ll be happy to get more followers. See here it is.
1:03:26
Here it is, that you have any experience or follow the Western a price foundation? Oh,
Bill Clearfield 1:03:35
yeah. Okay. Yeah. And what is that for those of us who don’t know what that is?
1:03:42
Weston, a price is a dentist that travelled the world in the early 1900s. To find and identify the ancestral civilization is still existing at that time and what they ate and what he identified as the head. They had very good bone structures. He’s a dentist who always looked at the teeth. And he found that these populations had fantastic teeth better than Western civilization and, but then he found the same tribes maybe a mile down the road that were introduced to the Western the white man’s diet and they had all sorts of crooked teeth and cavities. So he came to the conclusion that dentistry is really an obsolete practice if you can feed someone an ancestral diet, which is quite astounding
1:04:28
and a follow up to that with Dr. William Kelly. He’s the one that study Dr. Price’s process and came up with the metabolic code. And he’s he’s the one that supposedly started to fix his patients by figuring out whether they were metabolically equipped to eat vegetables and fruits or meats or both. Have you gone into that study? Now? I’m not sure if Okay. So
Bill Clearfield 1:05:02
let me just let me just sort of play devil’s advocate for just a minute so what you what you just said was that, you know, the Western diet Western civilization screws everything up.
1:05:15
And they mess it up a lot.
Bill Clearfield 1:05:16
Okay, but, you know, the ancestral diets, here’s the, you know, the the originals back there, you know, when you got to be 30. If you live to be 30 years old, you are old.
1:05:27
Yeah. So that statistic comes from the average death rate. So they have a lot of infant mortality, unfortunately, in these populations, so their OB GYN care isn’t up to standard. So if you look at that, they will bring down the average life expectancy to about 30. But if they can get it past childhood, they typically do okay and can live up into their 70s. So what we’re using is the ancestral diet here, which can give someone vitality and prevent a lot of modern diseases. But then we’re also using the anti aging medicine we’re so we’re using hormone optimization. We’re using modern medicine, so hopefully we can get people to 100. And they don’t have just that terrible disease that we see with everyone, you know, at Walmart, right? We’re trying to implement both the ancestral with the modern for the best possible outcome.
Bill Clearfield 1:06:23
Okay, I’m gonna skip the one question for a moment, but the bottom was who’s gonna win the Super Bowl eagles are chiefs as you can see behind me, those of you know where I’m from. And to let you all know that I put put a bet on the Philadelphia Eagles to win the Super Bowl on September 1 before the season started at 25 to one okay now back to our regular show. So, so Dr. Smith asked about religious restrictions on raw meats. And you know, and you know, and other things, you know, there’s there’s, there’s a lot of religious restrictions on different types of foods. How do you sort of, you know, maneuver around that
1:07:11
and cook it lightly. Don’t nuke the food you you degrade it, the harder you cook it? slow cook it overnight, low temperature if you’re doing a stew, if you’re gonna grill a steak, you know, rare ideally. Same with organ meats, try not to cook it too hard and obviously with milk, the same concept the harder you cook it, the less nutrients you get out of it. Okay,
Bill Clearfield 1:07:37
all right. But again, there are a lot of, you know, reduce restrictions on raw meats and in certain certain different types of foods, you know, pork products in particular. And mixing different types of foods, you know, kosher halal, you know, have restrictions. If you’ve come across those and maneuvered around those and your your, your travels,
1:08:04
I don’t have a lot of Jewish patients or Muslim patients so there’s not the population I really work with.
Bill Clearfield 1:08:12
Okay, anybody else out there have any? Okay. Here’s that Dr. Kelly dotnet is the is the website from the doctor late Dr. William Kelly, that you mentioned.
1:08:29
Check it out. Do you have a question? I test a lot of my patients for anti prowl cell antibodies and intrinsic factor antibodies and it’s amazing to me how many people have an autoimmune gastritis even I even have teenagers with it. And that makes it difficult if that’s been in place for much time because then they lose their capacity to make their own stomach acid. So in that case, we do just give the betaine hydrochloride and enzymes or what would you do with that?
1:09:04
I have a whole gut protocol for people with problems with the gut. And so includes as Dr. Gilford is aware of the BPC 157 The gut healing peptide, you’ll find a lot of improvements in gut in the gut problems with that, and I use the biocide and protocol. So a lot of these people they have overgrowth of yeast and bacteria in their gut and so we just do a nice little cleanse one month and typically we see a good improvement with this. You add on a bit of colostrum and a bit of collagen and their gut feels a lot better.
Bill Clearfield 1:09:44
Could you elaborate a little bit on the biocide and protocols or?
1:09:48
Yeah, I can. I’m actually doing research with biocide and on this because I’ve been using this so extensively this this protocol so yeah, it’s a it’s BPC 157 laws and your oil capsule once daily, usually for about a month. And then the biocide and cleanse which is their liquid botanical solution their binder and there’s Orbis probiotic. And then we add on colostrum, any of your favorite brands of colostrum and then we add on a bit of collagen. And obviously we cut out the insults we cut out we cut out the soybean oil, canola oil all this garbage, we get them off the birth control if they’re a woman on birth control, we get them off of the PPIs if they’re taking those things the antacids we get them off ibuprofen and aspirins, if they’re taking that stuff. We get them off the six cups of coffee a day that they’re drinking, right? We try to manage their stress, try to optimize their hormones. You know, they’re not pushing their adrenals to the limit and fight or flight mode constantly. You know, try to treat the psychiatric aspect of this. A lot of people are in a lot of stress and they get themselves stressful. There’s so live very multifactorial to try to improve this but it Mainstays is BPC in the biocide and at least bare minimum. Where do you like to get your BPC from annex pharmacy? They do lozenges, okay. I get it from all over the place. Capsules. It’s very very common. At this point.
1:11:24
What’s your experience with glyceride licorice? That’s how I got off with all members all.
1:11:30
Licorice ah no,
1:11:31
I never use diglycerides licorice.
1:11:34
special kind of not familiar. You can get
Bill Clearfield 1:11:38
the glycerin ated liquid
1:11:40
Oh, okay from
1:11:41
compasses, designs for health. DGL synergy? Yeah. And it’s calcium from calcium glycerophosphate then dye glyceride licorice and glycine.
1:11:56
Why do you think that helped? What’s the mechanism?
1:12:00
I think it just stabilized the acid seems to work.
1:12:09
At Beverly even more BBC I have a lecture on my YouTube channel about BBC 157.
Bill Clearfield 1:12:19
Yeah, I’m not sure the answer to the the deep lizard at licorice we’ve using carnosine also for acid reflux and GERD and hiatal hernia. So so the comment is Deibler St. Lucia. Licorice coats the lining. So nice.
1:12:45
Yeah, my YouTube channels iron dreg Primary Care. I have a lot of resources there. I’m going through all the peptides. My goal is to publish my my use of each peptide out there because we’re having some amazing results with these things.
1:13:02
Yeah, I agree. There’s another there’s another peptide called KPV. And I know what’s good for gut inflammation. I don’t know if it’s specifically anti inflammatory for the for the stomach. But it might be and it it may be because it its effects on the cannabinoid receptors and it’s I guess it’s an analogue of millennial Corton, which is something that we already produce. I believe our pineal gland produces it. But yeah, I’m seeing people using the both BPC and KPV in combination if if PPC 157 isn’t enough for for gut issues, and I am seeing a lot of dealing patients with a lot of bloating. I am seeing a lot of yeast overgrowth, Candida overgrowth, or at least it’s responding very powerfully to anti fungals at least the extreme cases I’m treating with Itraconazole I do like the idea of the biocide and you know, got protocols I am weak in general as far as the different the different programs but yeah, that’s my experience with that. kpb being another peptide that can be used in concert with the BPC 157
1:14:33
That’s cool. Have you ever heard of Laurasia tide?
1:14:36
La Raza tide sounds really familiar. For some
1:14:39
reason. This one’s wild is literally an oral peptide derived from Vibrio cholera. But it apparently seems to be able to fix broken gap junctions and patients with gluten issues.
1:14:55
Yeah, you know, I like your approach to peptides. I mean there’s a peptide for everything out there essentially. And most of them we don’t really see so much off the shelf. But the more the more I research, the more looking at labs that we don’t necessarily more research oriented labs and they have catalogs of, of peptides for it seems essentially everything and you know, the cool thing is, in learning the peptides, you really learn the physiology. You know that because they relate to all aspects of, of cellular pathways.
1:15:36
Yeah, and where do you get that this? Well, they’re found in organ meats take BPC 157 For example, found in tripe, cow semuc, cow intestine, right. Take the thymosin Alpha One and the thymosin beta four fennan thymus gland I just learned about another one the other day that’s found in spleen. And so obviously we can assume that the spleen does is a peptide has immune potential healing benefits and hasn’t been sensitized yet but they found it in spleen. So my theory is you can eat the organ and it’ll heal you at least if you don’t cook it too. Hot because these peptides are very delicate if you ever ordered peptides online is say it’s frozen to you from the pharmacy or cold. They’re very delicate 3d structures that are destroyed by stomach acidity and not BBC 157. It’s gastric stable, but these peptides again as my point is not overheating, milk and meats and so forth is that you denature the peptides. I
1:16:37
love that idea. Literally it makes sense if you’re trying to boost your immunity, you know eat Imus and you know, intuitively it makes sense. But again, it seems like one of those things that is obvious that you know, because again, our western programming and diet and you know, just habits just make you know, at least I feel like I’ve been oblivious it wouldn’t have even crossed my mind. But, you know, there’s a group in Europe called a European wellness group. Most of their research done out of Germany and they have other sort of satellite clinics with some Russian scientists and Asian scientists that I’m familiar with and you know, their products are all derived from, you know, all the different organs of the of the Lamb. And these are mitochondrial peptides and been purified, but they’re specific for each gland and so if you if you want to, you know, address the Male Vitality, more naturally encouraging your body to produce more testosterone for, you know, for, I guess for any age at this point for males, adult males, but those those mitochondrial peptides re reduce oxidative stress, those are intracellular peptides that reduce oxidative stress within the mitochondria of the specified Oregon and they have compounds that have like 12 different organs involved with with the production of testosterone, including pituitary and hypothalamus and, and liver and spleen and testicular, and it works I actually that just personal use, you know, it definitely helped. I had some testicular atrophy, from my early use of testosterone that really thinking about what I was doing. And it actually it actually had a profound effect on it. But the concept just makes a lot of sense that, you know, if we want to, you know, like you said, you’re getting, you know, like the vitamin A from from the from the beef liver, if you’re, if you need something more of that well then you eat more of that Oregon. I think that’s brilliant.
Bill Clearfield 1:19:02
Yeah, and it’s affordable.
1:19:05
And it’s affordable and a lot cheaper than, you know, mitochondrial peptides. Yeah. But yeah, same concept. I really liked that.
1:19:17
You do house calls for your patients?
1:19:20
Yes. No, all of them but you know, my my special patients Yeah.
1:19:26
Go through their fridge up shot Reagan signed
1:19:31
by Bologna, and I pulled out
1:19:35
loaves of moldy bread. At this last place. The shelf full of soybean oil condiments in her shelf. She actually had a whole gallon of soybean oil that she was cooking with. And I said, Listen, you’re trying to fix yourself. You gotta throw this out. She’s Oh, no, I’m gonna feed it to my chickens. I’m like, No, you’re eating the eggs from the chickens. Don’t feed it to your chickens. You’re gonna make them sick. Right? What have you feed them? It’s gonna be their eggs. They’re gonna eat their eggs. The eggs are gonna be soybean oil eggs, right? They’re gonna be high omega six eggs. Don’t want this.
1:20:07
How did you get into diet to this level? I mean, it seems like you have a unique perspective on on diet and you understand, you know, diet all the way down to the farm level. And it seems like this is something you had a special interest in or
1:20:24
no, my my dad’s here. He’s in the chat here to Thomas. I don’t know if you can hear us. But Thomas raised me this way. We never went to a doctor. He didn’t bring me you know, to a doctor for well visits, right? It was all nutrition in our household. We didn’t always have the ancestral diet in our household. We actually were macrobiotic. I don’t know if you know what that is. But that’s a pretty, no more fringe diet than what I was talking about. But we were that for a while and we were all dietary modalities growing up to improve health.
1:21:00
Interesting. Did you grew up in a more rural setting or
1:21:03
No, I grew up in Europe and Italy and Germany, then eventually Florida, but I really started studying this hard when I had to quit my tennis career because of my lateral epicondylitis it was so severe. I hung up the racket. I thought that was it. But it was in PA school. Actually, I didn’t learn this in class, obviously. I was actually playing tennis on tennis courts, and this naturopathic physician, he hit me up and he’s like, hey, I want to train with you. I’m like, okay, yeah, I can play maybe one or two days a week. And he’s like, why can’t you play more? And that’s like, my arm feels like it’s gonna fall off. And he was like, cut out the gluten, the alcohol, the dairy and the nightshades. I’m like, What’s a Nightshade? And sure enough, I cut out the stuff my tennis elbow went away and I was like, Oh my god. This is nuts. Food has an effect on arthritis. Let’s that’s not the way it they’re teaching me in evidence based medicine here in PA school. The evidence base is NSAIDs rest. And according to steroid injection, what is this naturopathic quackery? But it worked and then as like, how do you know all this? I asked him how do you know all this and he said PubMed and I was like, you can find this all on the internet. And so then I just started researching this stuff.
1:22:20
Yeah, that’s a great thing. Just going to PubMed same thing for myself. It’s just anything. You know, I you know what it is? Is I have more questions that pop up in my head. You know, the more I keep doing what I’m doing now, you know, I’m questioning everything I ever learned, you know, and I’m also questioning, do I actually know something? Do I actually know this or am I do I think I know where I’ve been pretending to know it. And if I can’t even answer for myself, it’s like, boom, let’s go to PubMed. And sure enough, there’s gonna be, you know, three or four good articles that I’ll print out and I’ll just skim through them and just try to you know, just see if I can grab some some solid knowledge, you know, or try to, you know, see what the commonality are just wait let’s have something jump out. But I tell you, there’s something about its x there. It’s a scientific article. It’s not because they said it. It’s not because you think this is what it is, or, you know, like you said, Yeah, I’ve learned that there. They said something about it in PA school. And there it is, and if anybody wants to, you know, question me, it’s, it’s like, well, this is a scientific this is scientific data and and that’s where I am it’s, it also goes in lines with you know, my own experiences so I can relate it in and, you know, there’s more I have more confidence with, you know, what seems to present itself with the truth. Combining my experiences with some commonalities amongst the articles, but, you know, and then it’s just more solid. And then of course, if presenting it is just a whole nother level, because if you can’t talk about it in front of people, you don’t really know it, but if you can talk about it and explain it it’s in you.
1:24:18
Right, and I teach this to my patients every day, and when I do these house calls when I speak them on telemedicine, this is critical towards what I do is just teaching them about diet because this is where you know, we can talk about methylene blue and oxytocin and all these things, but it comes down to what they’re putting in their mouths every day.
1:24:40
Yeah, well, you know, I think it’s fantastic and you have, you know, this knowledge Fortunately, you grew up with it to a degree and did your own research, obviously but um, you know, for most of us, I can only speak for myself. I mean, I can’t complain about you know, how I was raised, but I can say I was completely out harsh. I was ignorant, you know, I mean, I mean, my my mother did a lot of personal farming. So, you know, shared lots and things and so I did have exposure to natural foods, canned foods, and and that knowledge but you know, the mainstream was just, you know, I look at all my friends and they’re eating their Froot Loops and you know, all their fruit juice things and that are just really just syrup, water, and it’s just amazing. And the problem is, it’s like, all of a sudden, it’s like, I see this material that makes sense, but it actually would I would actually have to take time to learn this stuff. I mean, I would actually have to focus on it and say, This is what I’m going to do. I’m going to figure this out. too, in order to get to this place right, I would feel confident ordering foods from the meats and cooking them at the right temperature and adding the the oils to it that makes it more tolerable. I’m sure some of it actually tastes fine. We just don’t know it. But I even thought about hiring somebody just to you know, somebody that could actually, you know, mentor me teach me. You know, give that one on one and so to speed up the learning process, but you know, there’s so many other things happening in, you know, distracted by this or taking care of that patient, but it really would. I think that’s what causes people to have like you said, their refrigerators, you know, look terrible. I mean, my refrigerator looks like it’s mostly peptides. It’s actually quite entertaining. But, um, you know, maybe some moldy bread at the same time. But, I mean, that’s really what it is, you know, you’ve reminded us, myself, I can only speak for myself is, is you know, we can’t forget this part. And it’s not like something that’s just common sense. Oh, we just learned it in two seconds. It’s the same thing we have to put in the same discipline. And you know, at least commit to, you know, if you can’t focus on 100% focus on you know, maybe just say, you know, I’m going to make sure maybe one day a week I’m going to make one of these meals. That’s how I kind of, you know, Sunday is going to be my ancestral cook up in Oregon or something you know, and make it that try to make it simple in in order to get the habit and, and then it just becomes, oh, it’s not so difficult. But I find change in diet. Difficult to to get to turn it into nutritional supplementation.
1:27:57
Yeah, it’s a lifestyle. But you’ll find it’s pretty easy, you know, to one, maintain your body mass your physique. You’ll find that you can maintain muscle and stay lean very easily. So it’s very convenient as well because you can, you can make a stew and you can have the food for a couple of days. So you have plenty of food. So it really saves on time because you’re not always hungry, not always eating so much and it saves your patients time and obesity. as well. So it’s there’s a very practical reason to do this.
1:28:32
Okay, and you said your wife actually has a cookbook specific.
1:28:37
Yeah, she has a page. It’s, we thought,
1:28:41
well, maybe that would make it easier. And then I’ll have to guess what, how do I get to
1:28:48
I put it up so here and then I also have a YouTube channel and I have a playlist called Cooking with Steph Steph is my nickname so it’s comedic value there but I asked him very, very simple recipes to Father My fiancee. She’s very artistic with her. She makes it beef liver potatoes. She’ll make an ice cream out of egg yolks and raw milk. It’s incredible stuff.
Bill Clearfield 1:29:11
Here’s the here’s the website for the your Cambage where you didn’t get a name just a fiance. So yeah,
1:29:24
her name is Logan. And she may do a lecture for you all if you want to on the ketogenic diet. She has been experimenting with that a lot having some very
Bill Clearfield 1:29:35
you’ll get you’ll get her I’ll get in touch with her. There was a question about glutamine for leaky gut.
1:29:43
Oh, yeah. Oh, glutamine. Yeah, you can get that from from colostrum and collagen but you can also add it to the protocol. Sure that’s a good one.
Bill Clearfield 1:29:53
And I won’t just one stay on BPC 157.
1:30:02
Just a month Protocol, or at least our gut protocol. Sure. I mean, for other protocols like, you know, if I injure myself, I’ll do a salad usually do an injection. A couple of days is enough for me to get myself out of the neck pain injury.
Bill Clearfield 1:30:20
Yeah, we do. We’ve used the the injectables for we’ve saved many, many patient surgeries. It’s really quite remarkable. Shoulders we do really well. Knees, at least 5060 60% that we can cancel surgeries, even even low backs. I have one kid who was a football player at University of Nebraska and he tore a hamstring and it didn’t heal. He didn’t play for two years. And he came in to see me right before before you’re supposed to go back to school. In August we gave him three injections two milligrams each right to the hamstring and it healed after two years. Amazing. You know he’s playing it. It’s really quite remarkable stuff. And so that’s all the questions in the chat. Anybody else have anything to add questions? Thank you, Steve, as always, and thank you for thank you Father for being here. And we had a lot of new names. If I don’t have your email address, you want to be on our email list. Please let me know. You can get me
1:31:39
here at
Bill Clearfield 1:31:42
Dr. Bill nine at Gmail, the link that you used to get on today is the link that we always use. So save that that that’ll that’ll get you on. Next week. We have Dr. Benoit tanto and unfortunately, my calendar got wiped out and I haven’t gotten in touch with him. So I don’t know what the topic is. But he’s quite a prolific writer and medical writer. So we will have him next week and then February 21. You know, batten down the hatches, you know, Hide, hide, hide, hide your loved ones. Dr. Peter McCullough will be here and we’ll see who else tries to shut us down. So after that, so, so thank you, Steve again. And we’re going to go through the we’re going to ask you to come back for the what did you have the leaky gut protocol yet you showed us
1:32:39
I want to give you guys the second part of this, which is resistance training. And you know what this looks like the literature on resistance training to reverse disease and how to incorporate it. So that’s the that’s the two pronged approach. I have ancestral diet resistance training.
Bill Clearfield 1:32:56
All right, march 7, one month from today you run.
1:32:59
All right, sounds good.
Bill Clearfield 1:33:01
Okay. Resistance training. Okay, you got it. All right. You heard it here. So if you like this one, he’ll be back again. Exactly one month from today.
1:33:12
All right. Sounds good.
Bill Clearfield 1:33:13
Okay, we got Mohammed Health Care Consultant, RCM thank you for being here and I need to be real, real quick about this. Thank you for your great insights. Lots of things, use lots of kudos. And we always are glad when we have new people. And what I always admonish you bring one friend, we will double our census.
1:33:49
That’s right.
Bill Clearfield 1:33:50
So there’s a couple of some new names tonight. Thank you so much for coming. As I’m just getting, say something, Steve, Well, I get these email addresses so I don’t lose them. Yeah, go ahead.
1:34:05
Have you used any of those preorder food sites there. I can’t think of the one day as soon as the page comes up, it comes up keto comes up. Carnivore comes up vegan vegetarian, and you can pick and
1:34:21
say no, no, but I am working with a chef right now to start a meal plan for patients.
1:34:26
Yeah, I think it’d be great for some doctors who are super busy and you don’t have time to even cook you know, I mean.
Bill Clearfield 1:34:36
Yeah. Oh, you talking about? Dr. Joseph dude, you didn’t you weren’t raised that. Tab Tasty Cakes for dessert every every night.
1:34:50
Fortunately, no, I don’t even know what those are. But
Bill Clearfield 1:34:54
okay. Well, it was it’s a Philadelphia thing. It was like sort of like a little Debbie’s but it’s it was only in Philadelphia up until maybe 10 or 15 years ago. And it was that we had chocolate cupcakes every every night for during the week. They came through to a package and a wax in a wax is in a in a wax type of package. And you either rip that off quickly and the icing came off or you took it off slowly and then you got the icing on the cake. It was a it was a you know a sort of a ritual. That was during the week Monday, Monday to Friday went Saturday night we had Pete butterscotch crumpets, those were sort of like a yellow banana kind of thing. And on Sunday night was the big treat was peanut butter candy cakes, which was sort of a could either be vanilla or chocolate Snack Cake with a layer of peanut butter on the inside of the chocolate on top and you put it in the freezer and you take it out of the freezer and so Steve Horvat says butterscotch triplets are the best. So yeah. Philadelphia area when I went to medical school in Iowa, my parents used to send me cases of it and they would be gone in an hour because everybody where we live everybody in our apartment building would just be a tasty cake party.
1:36:22
I mean, it’s it’s amazing that we even like, you know, actually our bodies actually grew up and matured when I think about you know, when I was thirsty out Coca Cola Oh, yeah, you know, and
Bill Clearfield 1:36:36
not Diet Coke.
1:36:39
No, no, exactly. Like the real deal. Like, oh, you know, potato chips. I’m hungry. Like, sometimes I don’t even remember eating real food. But um, yeah, no, no, no, something
Bill Clearfield 1:36:51
goes, Steve. Horvitz is on here says it says Philly native. I don’t know if your affiliate natives of Philadelphia soft pretzels which are different than anything that you’ve ever seen before but so you have to there’s sort of a you know, a dough he kind of kind of is much better than Andes or whatever that thing in the mall is but you had to get it on the. So the road from where we lived in Northeast Philadelphia to downtown. It’s called the Roosevelt Boulevard. It was a very revolutionary at the time and it was eight lanes for each way. With a tree’s dividers in between. And at the red lights. There would be kids standing there on the corner with these Philadelphia soft pretzels and you had to get him at between eight and 9am because that’s was just the right amount of road road the schmutz was on it to give it the right flavor so that was that was again that was another that was another Philadelphia thing. So
1:37:48
yeah, I’ll try to say that. Yeah, a little bit different world. I know we didn’t have any of that in Michigan. Growing up.
Bill Clearfield 1:37:56
And no, they didn’t have any of that so and and so Steve says he so I went to Des Moines. So Steve COVID says he visited the boy in medical school for an interview and he brought a suitcase with them and they let him in. They let the person that he stayed with or something so so I would get cases of it. So I moved out here when I moved out to Reno. There’s actually a bakery that took him in but they weren’t selling very well. So I went in there and I told the lady exactly what to order. And I went back I went back a month later she had tripled her sales and that
1:38:34
to get the right guy. Yeah, now they sound They sound amazing actually.
Bill Clearfield 1:38:40
So and then Dr. Dr. Beverly you graduate so I graduated from Des Moines also so 1978 You can tell by the color of my hair okay, everybody. Oh, well. We were close. We probably crossed paths somewhere along the line. Then she graduated in 1979. So we’re still at it. So thank you all again for coming. I got a couple of new names here. We’ll get you on our email list. Bring a friend and Steve said you’ll you’re Steve, are you in Philadelphia? Or if it’s you’ll send me some if you give me 10% and eagles but I can get them in Reno now. That’s not it’s not exclusive anymore. Okay. So which was a big deal back when I was growing up? You could only get it in the Philadelphia area or Atlantic City, you know, down the shore, which is what we used to say so. Okay. So the rest of you probably don’t want to hear this bantering. Anybody have any questions, comments if you have you have any topics you want to want to present? You know, we can see we’re all you know, we’re all sort of a club. If you’re not used to presenting I mean, this is a good place to practice. Nobody’s going to chip chop your head off or you know, bite your head off and nobody’s going to grade you badly. So if you’re, you know, if you’re if you you know, if you have something you want to present, we’re more than happy to have you, you know, on and, you know, we’re all pretty supportive of each other here. And just to remind you that on Monday night’s Dr. Hill losses group is, uh, you know, has a similar webinar. They have some different topics on Wednesday nights. Dr. Farr Sheehan has the American Academy of stem cell physicians, um, they actually had neon two weeks ago. So they’ve worked topics and just regenerative medicine. And we’re still we haven’t haven’t made any any definitive arrangements, but we’re kicking around, doing a live elite weekend, three day weekend, maybe in the late summer or early, early fall. And believe it or not, we are still am a certified so we can we can do credits without partnering with anybody else. We’re just not do certified. So with that, Steve, thank you. So much. Thank you, Father for being one. Everybody that’s still on. Again, last questions, comments, complaints, and if nothing else, we will remember aos or d.org/webinars. We’ll have the video on as soon as we can. And also usually within 24 or 48 hours we get the transcript on also. So Steve, thank you so much. We got you. We got you already scheduled for March 7. Yeah. And we’ll we’ll take it from there. Okay, good night, everybody. And have a great night.
1:42:00
Thanks, guys.
Bill Clearfield 1:42:01
Thank you. Thanks.